trial day 45: the defense continues its case in chief #137

[Truth Detector]

not only that, but she apparently is such a saint that she sat in jail for TWO YEARS, charged with first degree murder, to protect the reputation of a dead man, before FINALLY telling the 'true' story.

how much sense does THAT make?

That's because she didn't want to "de-edify" Travis "sort of contemporaneous" with her incarceration you see.

Besides, "no jury will ever convict [her] and you can mark [her] words on that."

 

[Nezumi]

well, that's the debate...

The thing is that at no time that we know of did Travis take steps through legitimate means to keep her out of his life. And, three weeks before his death, he is carrying on hours of sex tapes with her and saying loving and flattering things to her.

Do the men you represent do that? Do they continue to have sex with the woman who is abusing them even though they are not married and living in separate homes and even separate states?

Do they refuse to take out restraining orders? Or to report violations to the police?

When did Travis decide that Jodi was a problem? Because I don't see him doing anything to protect himself from her.

IMO

What's not "legitimate" about saying "go away, leave me alone and stay out of my life?" As far as I'm concerned, that should be enough for anyone.

 

[katiedid2]

If JA had this on her mind before the murder then she would have made sure to conduct pedophilic searches on Travis' computer (at least on the day of the murder) to make it look like Travis was in fact a pedophile. She didn't do that. This leads me to believe that she thought of this nasty accusation only after she realized that her previous two versions of what happened on June 4, 2008 did not fit in with the physical evidence.

I think she recorded the sex-tape in order to blackmail Travis.

If she'd of thought of the pedophilia before June 4 ?
Wouldn't she have printed some incriminating pics and left them on his office desk?

 

[VALee]

KNOCK KNOCK Please unlock the door

This is what I see when I go to the thread

Did Steely get in the next thread first and :nono: everyone, bah...

 

[Linda7NJ]

He sent her packing back to California! He did phone the police, they just didn't come in a reasonable timeframe. He told her in those texts he was through with her.

Phone sex with someone 1000 miles away ... May have been to appease HER and felt safe enough... She was in another state.


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[ClosArgs]

Well, he did send her packing to Yreka.

Yeah and IIRC JA stated in her testimony he told her she could go to Antarctica as far as he was concerned.

 

[zoozoo]

I can't tell if you're being serious...I hope you aren't. You can't generalize like that, each situation is different and unless one is a mind reader you cannot determine if TA had guilt or if/how it manifested if he did. It's easy to come up with these unsupportable claims about what feelings do and how they cause people to react...but it's just fluff better left to a psychic hotline. This is what happens when professionals refuse to embrace evidence based practices and just start making things up.

Some posters just seem to want to stir the pot (not you, by the way).

 

[basilcat]

Did Steely get in the next thread first and :nono: everyone, bah...

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[gauntlet]

*makes nose prints staring through the glass window*

 

[prima.facie]

well, that's the debate...

The thing is that at no time that we know of did Travis take steps through legitimate means to keep her out of his life. And, three weeks before his death, he is carrying on hours of sex tapes with her and saying loving and flattering things to her.

Do the men you represent do that? Do they continue to have sex with the woman who is abusing them even though they are not married and living in separate homes and even separate states?

Do they refuse to take out restraining orders? Or to report violations to the police?

When did Travis decide that Jodi was a problem? Because I don't see him doing anything to protect himself from her.

IMO

lol. what can a person do to force a person from their life? even restraining orders do NOT work! crazy person is going to do what crazy person wants to do.

and to say he did NOTHING to get her out of his life is disingenuous at best.

first, we have information of private conversations that went on between them face to face. next, he changed his garage code so she didn't have it. next, he told her off which, this sane woman would take as: go away. how the hell did he know she would end up killing him? and he probably saw her more as a pain in the rather than anything. most of the crap she did, he probably didn't even know about or have tangible evidence he could take to the police! or he thought he could handle it himself, as most men do! again, he had no foresight that she would brutally murder him!

and please substitute man for woman. how many women stay in abusive relationships and NEVER tell anyone?! MANY. ive done it myself. im an example of one who never got the restraining order and stayed with him too long.

why are men subject to different "rules" than women in this case? insanity.

 

[rose222]

If she'd of thought of the pedophilia before June 4 ?
Wouldn't she have printed some incriminating pics and left them on his office desk?

For sure!

 

[a/k/a me]

And wasn't Jodi quick to try and blame the jail for her not getting lunch, trying to get them into trouble with the judge (or so she thought), that Nurmi stood in front of the judge and complained that Ms. Arias needs to leave at exactly 4:30 every afternoon so she can get back to the jail in time for dinner. As if we are to believe that she had a special escort to the jail, all by herself, and did not ride back to jail with other prisoner's who were also in court that day. Yesterday she sat there and as the deputy tried to get her to leave she refused and sat down while he stood beside her. She continued to sit there doing nothing in particular for about 7 minutes while her attorneys were up at the sidebar with the judge obviously just chatting, laughing so it's hard to believe it was something Jodi had to be updated on. There did not seem to be a worry about getting her dinner on time yesterday?

I was timing it too. No urgency whatsoever.

 

[JRS_JD2L]

well, that's the debate...

The thing is that at no time that we know of did Travis take steps through legitimate means to keep her out of his life. And, three weeks before his death, he is carrying on hours of sex tapes with her and saying loving and flattering things to her.

Do the men you represent do that? Do they continue to have sex with the woman who is abusing them even though they are not married and living in separate homes and even separate states?

Do they refuse to take out restraining orders? Or to report violations to the police?

When did Travis decide that Jodi was a problem? Because I don't see him doing anything to protect himself from her.

IMO

BBM.

Do you think a restraining order is necessary when someone has moved 1000 miles away? It's quite possible that Travis wasn't to the point that he feared that Jodi would soon commit physical violence upon him, but he did have it in the back of his mind. Perhaps a restraining order would have come about had she stayed, but we will never know, because the only one who could testify to that, cannot.

I won't say that Travis was perfect, or that he did not have issues. But, the most we can say with the evidence we have heard is that he was a "player" or a "cad." There is ZERO credible evidence that he ever physically abused Jodi or anyone else.

Again, this murder was premeditated, and even if you discount that Jodi was a stalker, the evidence is overwhelming that she did not kill Travis as a result of any alleged abuse--even if we assume such abuse existed.

 

[Snoods]

Corking is not an expression nor is "corking/porking the pot". Period.

I base this on the fact that
a) I pride myself on knowing many obscure euphemisms for naughty things.
b) Urban Dictionary has nothing (verification of purported definitions - thumbs up)
c) Google searches for the phrases "porking the pot" and "corking the pot"
turn up nothing.

I really don't know what the heck ALV is talking about but here's my theory....
ALV was provided with a transcript of the sex tape. I that transcript the DT used the phrase "corking the pot" for some part that was unintelligible. ALV aske JA what that meant. JA told her it was something naughty - a phrase that all the hip Mormon's use or something.

That's exactly what I thought too. Like when Nurmi thought he was dropping a bombshell with the computer expert about that deviant Travis watching Daft Punk harder, better, faster stronger. Like it was some video or something. That was pretty amusing.

 

[pinkfairy]

I'm wondering what you thing ALV was asking the judge at the end of the day.

Any thoughts?

 

[TigerBalm]

Did Steely get in the next thread first and :nono: everyone, bah...

 

[Tulessa]

I can't tell if you're being serious...I hope you aren't. You can't generalize like that, each situation is different and unless one is a mind reader you cannot determine if TA had guilt or if/how it manifested if he did. It's easy to come up with these unsupportable claims about what feelings do and how they cause people to react...but it's just fluff better left to a psychic hotline. This is what happens when professionals refuse to embrace evidence based practices and just start making things up.

There ya are! :great:

 

[nursebeeme]

Please get your coffee and begin moving over to the new thread. This thread is now closed.​

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[rose222]

I can't get the video from azcentral. What link are you guys using today?