trial day 51: REBUTTAL; #156

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To anyone who cares, here are links to research showing that graphology is baseless pseudoscience:
Journals:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0191886987900456
http://www.amsciepub.com/doi/abs/10.2466/pr0.105.F.1255-1268?journalCode=pr0
Summary article with refs:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/grapho.html

If anyone wants more sources, there is plenty of more info out there and I'll help you find them if need be.

And again, I have not found any info to support the assertion that the FBI uses graphology in their investigations.
 
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Is our Katie coo or any of our court watchers there today? JUAN's UP!!! What I wouldn't give to be there. Sigh
 
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Don't we have court this Friday?
 
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There should be a real seal to entertain the masses waiting for the trial instead of the Seal of Arizona.

This ain't no disco......TH
 
  • #226
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but it's a seal. :)

I have been trying to figure out what animal this is...a panther?
 
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To anyone who cares, here are links to research showing that graphology is baseless pseudoscience:
Journals:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0191886987900456
http://www.amsciepub.com/doi/abs/10.2466/pr0.105.F.1255-1268?journalCode=pr0
Summary article with refs:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/grapho.html

If anyone wants more sources, there is plenty of more info out there and I'll help you find them if need be.

And again, I have not found any info to support the assertion that the FBI uses graphology in their investigations.

You rock!!


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I didn't know we were on a new thread already! :blushing: Carrying this over:


I think to understand intimate partner violence one has to stop asking how the victim could have made different decisions or found him/herself there in the first place. Abuse is a complex series of behaviors, evolving gradually, that make a victim doubt their reality, their perceptions, and most importantly themselves.

How were they manipulated into staying in the relationship by the abuser? What fears or hopes were leveraged against them? Did they believe they had people to resort to who would understand - or those that would belittle them for having 'allowed' abuse? Did they have access to financial resources? A home to live in, separate from the abuser? Funds for an attorney? Were they allowed access to drive? Work? Are there children the victim risks having to allow often unsupervised access by the abuser to should they divorce? Will people believe him/her?

For a great many victims, there are no laws to protect them so the government is rather out of the equation anyway. Unless abuse escalates to prosecutable physical or sexual violence a victim is without that resource. Because of the nature of abuse, and a deep and complex psychology behind it, by the time it escalates to that, abuse victims are so enmeshed its that much more difficult to leave.

Intimate partner violence truly transcends all boundaries. Professional, well-educated, wealthy, self-sufficient people become victims too. You meet someone who seems perfect for you, very slowly cracks begin to appear that are easily rationalized or minimized (Oh, he snapped at me because he had a bad day.) and before you even realize it, you're literally trapped in a situation you truly don't know how to get out of, with kids, money, and/or self intact. If it began with being hit on the first date - or being called a litany of bad names, even, very few would ever stay beyond it.

The overwhelming majority of people don't like to be abused. They don't stay, or return, to be abused either. They love, hope, and often fear. And that hope, love, and fear is very often twisted and used against them, to keep them in a relationship making them miserable, by someone who says they love them.

(ETA: As an aside, I truly don't believe anyone can blame, guilt, or shame an abuse victim more than what they already feel internally. It's a long, hard process personally working through the whys and hows, which are different for every victim. Just food for thought for those people may come in contact with someone in abuse, or freshly out of it, themselves. They already feel stupid. They already know they've made mistakes. They already worry they can't survive on their own. They already feel shame or embarrassment for 'allowing' it and feel immense guilt if loved ones were hurt through their abuse too.)

I agree with everything you just stated. Its such a complicated issue, that cannot be explained in its entirety unless you literally "walk in the woman's shoes" . I am not gonna elaborate much but years ago, when I encountered such a situation I typically got the standard answer "You are pretty. You are intelligent. You are a fool to stay with that **********. The solution is not always that cut and dry, and simplistic. I am free of that rollercoaster/prison warden type relationship but can completely relate to someone who is currently going through it. It was almost like a drug addiction at the end. If that makes any sense. I was one of the lucky ones, and broke free. Enough said................ ARIZONA SEAL BE GONE!
 
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I'm having serious Juan withdrawals!!! let's go!!!
 
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Sounds like they're all in chambers telling secrets again. Boy there's a lot of secrets in this trial.
 
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I don't think it would've worked.
I think because then it would all be based on Jodi the liar's word and it would be based on her being jealous or enraged.
With this defense, they got to paint TA as a monster and got the chance to find two experts to back Jodi's battered woman claims.
Hummm? Good theory, but I think they could still have gone with the BWS to explain the overkill. I think they really wanted to pull off the self-defense. They were so pizzed that the plea deal didn't work, they wanted to teach JM "a thing or two." Now that they have seen just how tremendously they failed (post DeMarte) and no touchdown, they are going to try kicking it in. I think they will still fail tremendously.
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BBM~ Actually it does imo. The killing was so brutal and sloppy. To me that is rage killing which can theoretically equate to "crime of passion".

It really doesn't, imo. Because the evidence (gas cans, hair color, auto, gun stolen) all point to the killing being premeditated. A crime of passion needs to happen quickly after whatever caused the other person to be enraged. For example: I find my boyfriend in bed with someone else and grab a vase and break it over his head.
 
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WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial
Defense has come out of chambers, Flores, Juan and Steven went back in to chambers. Spectators were just let in. #JodiArias


Why just Stephen and Juan?? Interesting.

Who is Stephen/Steven?
 
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Quick, re-seal!!!

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http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/jodi-arias-live-stream.html

I love OREO!!
 
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