Trial Delayed until at least January

[Just the Fax]

And to measure the bathroom tiles.

If they had done a good job the first time around, they would not have needed to return to the scene to gather evidence that would give a scale value to the photos they took earlier. This doesn't change the fact that they neglected to photograph the hallway.

You have no idea if they photographed it or not?
Just because they didn't enter it as evidence does not mean it doesn't exist.

 

[otto]

I am not suggesting any such thing.
That photo showed the door open after 1:30PM because MF opened it.
It was NOT open when MY went to bed.

BTW, it is not "stuck",. It was rolled up partially by simply pulling it by the handle

The garage overhead door was unlocked and not working properly. I suppose that whether it was partially open when someone arrived at the home and murdered the victim or completely closed cannot be said. The victim's sister had no difficulties entering the home without a key. The overhead door had to be repaired because it was broken at the time of the murder.

Did the last person to see the victim alive testify that the garage overhead door was completely closed when she left the property?

 

[otto]

Again, your facts are wrong.
The woman that saw 2 people never said it was a "van"

Okay ... two people testified that they saw two different vehicles. I see no reason to believe one over the other.

I'm not wrong.

"Prosecutors called one newspaper carrier after Young stepped down from the stand to raise doubts about whether a van was outside the Young house early Nov. 3, 2006."

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/06/22/1291790/jason-young-testifies-in-trial.html#storylink=cpy

"Defense attorneys for Jason Young called nine witnesses to testify on his behalf Tuesday, including a woman who said she saw a minivan pulling out of the driveway of the Youngs' home on the morning that Michelle Young was killed.

Day 10 trial testimony Cindy Beaver, a resident in the Enchanted Oaks subdivision where Jason and Michelle Young lived, said she was driving to work around 5:30 a.m. on Nov. 3,2 006, when she noticed the vehicle with two people – a male driver and a passenger that she presumed to be a woman – pulling out of the driveway."

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/story/9759784/

 

[otto]

You have no idea if they photographed it or not?
Just because they didn't enter it as evidence does not mean it doesn't exist.

Actually, the search warrant specifically mentions the need to measure the bathroom:

"In the new search warrant, one section reads, "As a standard practice, the City County Bureau of Identification photographs a crime scene showing the conditions that existed when it was secured." It goes on to read, "In the bathroom photographs, one sees numerous red footprints. While the photographs vividly detail the bathroom's condition, no photos were taken that depict a scale of measurement that could be used in a later analysis."

http://www.ncwanted.com/asset/unsolved/2007/11/28/2095268/SearchWarrantNovember20flashpaper.swf

" ... it is probable cause to believe that the processing, measuring and collecting of data and actual or latent evidence at ... is needed for comparison and analysis"

 

[tarheel8600]

You are not going to find it because it does not exist. There was no testimony from LE about the time the camera was unplugged. The only testimony was from Hicks. I think it would be respectful for you to refrain from misrepresenting the evidence.

JMO

Hi MyBelle,

Check this out:

During testimony, Sgt. Spivey testifies as to when the camera was unplugged and when it was plugged back in. 11:20 pm - unplugged; 5:50 am - plugged back in.

Time stamp 24:40
http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/9753208/#/vid9753208

I will be eagerly awaiting your apology that I was misrepresenting the evidence.

 

[otto]

Hi MyBelle,

Check this out:

During testimony, Sgt. Hicks testifies as to when the camera was unplugged and when it was plugged back in. 11:20 pm - unplugged; 5:50 am - plugged back in.

Time stamp 24:40
http://www.wral.com/specialreports/mich ... vid9753208

I will be eagerly awaiting your apology that I was misrepresenting the evidence.

That link doesn't work.

 

[citygirl]

Tarheel, it's Spivey not Hicks. He did testify to the time.

 

[otto]

This one works:

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/9753208/#/vid9753208

Camera goes black at 11:20 PM, comes back on at 5:50 AM goes back off at 6:35 AM.

Starting at about 24 minutes, he talks about the camera.

The question is, though, although Jason checked in at 10:54, he is presumably up in his room on his computer or something until shortly before midnight. Then he goes down the hall towards the camera. He is not seen heading towards the camera or anywhere near the camera at 11:20 PM. How does the prosecution explain this? Also, if the camera went black at 11:20, why did the night audit guy not notice that it was black until 3:30 or 4 in the morning even though he was in the same room as the security camera feed? The time lines aren't adding up ... and there is that small problem of "false or misleading" evidence associated with NC justice. I'm inclined to believe the night audit guy over an officer that publicly claimed a man guilty before he had a trial.

 

[tarheel8600]

I agree about the fishy lab stuff. What a horrible mess it has created for many cases that they handled during that time frame.
However, maybe, just maybe, JY's friends were warning him because they may have had a little tiny idea that yes, he did it. They knew how absurd and stupid and crazy he could get. I think he has a personality disorder (I have the educational degree to have my own opinion that's not based on supposition) and maybe his closest friends recognized, too, that something didn't click right with him. Who knows why he didn't cooperate. Had my husband been murdered I would park myself at the desk of the lead detective on the case and not move--offering as much info as I possible could to ensure a positive result.

We know that LE was asking JY and Michelle's friends questions that evening/night about the state of the Youngs' marriage. Maybe JY's friends thought he needed a lawyer because of the truthful answers they had to give LE.

Their friends knew that the marriage wasn't good, and some of JY's friends even knew that he was having an affair with MM. All of the friends definitely knew of the constant arguments the couple had. I can see why JY's friends thought he needed a lawyer.

 

[tarheel8600]

tarheel is suggesting that because LE said that was the case.
Bloody child prints in the bedroom and hall bath, but none in the hall.
LE speculated she was carried from the bedroom to the bath.

JTF,
Somewhere I have seen a picture of the inside of the bathroom. You can really see all of the bloody footprints in there. There are also a lot of prints on the walls. In that picture, it seems like CY was probably locked in the bathroom for a while to have created that much of a mess. Also, there is a picture of the hallway that shows there were no bloody footprints there.

Were those pictures taken by the defendant's family after the house was released by LE?

 

[Just the Fax]

The garage overhead door was unlocked and not working properly. I suppose that whether it was partially open when someone arrived at the home and murdered the victim or completely closed cannot be said. The victim's sister had no difficulties entering the home without a key. The overhead door had to be repaired because it was broken at the time of the murder.

Did the last person to see the victim alive testify that the garage overhead door was completely closed when she left the property?

Shelly did not....she left from the front door
MF said it was closed when she arrived.
She knew it was broken, so she raised it up.
A random killer would never realize it was unlocked.

I doubt seriously MY would go to bed with the garage door open, or even cracked. Power or not, people check their garage doors are closed before they retire for the night.

 

[Just the Fax]

JTF,
Somewhere I have seen a picture of the inside of the bathroom. You can really see all of the bloody footprints in there. There are also a lot of prints on the walls. In that picture, it seems like CY was probably locked in the bathroom for a while to have created that much of a mess. Also, there is a picture of the hallway that shows there were no bloody footprints there.

Were those pictures taken by the defendant's family after the house was released by LE?

The only ones I saw were used in court.
Kim and gojo said there were no prints in the hall, just like LE confirmed with their description in SW. However, any pictures from the 'family' were never posted, that I know of?

 

[Just the Fax]

This one works:

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/9753208/#/vid9753208

Camera goes black at 11:20 PM, comes back on at 5:50 AM goes back off at 6:35 AM.

Starting at about 24 minutes, he talks about the camera.

The question is, though, although Jason checked in at 10:54, he is presumably up in his room on his computer or something until shortly before midnight. Then he goes down the hall towards the camera. He is not seen heading towards the camera or anywhere near the camera at 11:20 PM. How does the prosecution explain this? Also, if the camera went black at 11:20, why did the night audit guy not notice that it was black until 3:30 or 4 in the morning even though he was in the same room as the security camera feed? The time lines aren't adding up ... and there is that small problem of "false or misleading" evidence associated with NC justice. I'm inclined to believe the night audit guy over an officer that publicly claimed a man guilty before he had a trial.

How do they explain?
There is a 10 second delay on each camera.
He could have easily dodged it in the west stairwell.

 

[Just the Fax]

Actually, the search warrant specifically mentions the need to measure the bathroom:

"In the new search warrant, one section reads, "As a standard practice, the City County Bureau of Identification photographs a crime scene showing the conditions that existed when it was secured." It goes on to read, "In the bathroom photographs, one sees numerous red footprints. While the photographs vividly detail the bathroom's condition, no photos were taken that depict a scale of measurement that could be used in a later analysis."

http://www.ncwanted.com/asset/unsolved/2007/11/28/2095268/SearchWarrantNovember20flashpaper.swf

" ... it is probable cause to believe that the processing, measuring and collecting of data and actual or latent evidence at ... is needed for comparison and analysis"

So what? They were there to get the deck boards, primarily.
The defense didn't have the first problem with measuring tiles so the obvious toddler prints had perspective.

 

[jill]

JTF,
Somewhere I have seen a picture of the inside of the bathroom. You can really see all of the bloody footprints in there. There are also a lot of prints on the walls. In that picture, it seems like CY was probably locked in the bathroom for a while to have created that much of a mess. Also, there is a picture of the hallway that shows there were no bloody footprints there.

Were those pictures taken by the defendant's family after the house was released by LE?

most likely CY walked into the bedroom just as JY had finished his attack on Michelle. He picked her up and took her into the bathroom, maybe locked her in or told her to stay.

He then pushed Michelle's body out of the way so that he could get into his closet, rifiled through the jewelry box removing drawers in an attempt to make it look like burglary.

He would have cleaned himself up, removing his outer layer and putting this and the gloves, murder weapon in a trash bag (garbage bag?), then went back to the bathroom and picked CY up again - maybe took her to her room and used baby wipes to clean her feet.

imo, of course.

 

[jill]

So what? They were there to get the deck boards, primarily.
The defense didn't have the first problem with measuring tiles so the obvious toddler prints had perspective.

I'm of the opinion that they took measurements of the bathroom simply for trial - maybe for presentation purposes.

how soon was the house on the market after they went back to analyze the deck and bathroom?

 

[Just the Fax]

Okay ... two people testified that they saw two different vehicles. I see no reason to believe one over the other.

I'm not wrong.

"Prosecutors called one newspaper carrier after Young stepped down from the stand to raise doubts about whether a van was outside the Young house early Nov. 3, 2006."

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/06/22/1291790/jason-young-testifies-in-trial.html#storylink=cpy

"Defense attorneys for Jason Young called nine witnesses to testify on his behalf Tuesday, including a woman who said she saw a minivan pulling out of the driveway of the Youngs' home on the morning that Michelle Young was killed.

Day 10 trial testimony Cindy Beaver, a resident in the Enchanted Oaks subdivision where Jason and Michelle Young lived, said she was driving to work around 5:30 a.m. on Nov. 3,2 006, when she noticed the vehicle with two people – a male driver and a passenger that she presumed to be a woman – pulling out of the driveway."

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/story/9759784/

Tell you what, instead of reading news accounts of the trial form a reporter, you may want to watch the actual testimony.

The postal clerk did not say "mini-van" with 2 people. She specifically called it a 'soccer mom' car.

 

[Just the Fax]

I'm of the opinion that they took measurements of the bathroom simply for trial - maybe for presentation purposes.

how soon was the house on the market after they went back to analyze the deck and bathroom?

I agree. it was a very minor detail they never even used at trial.
They went back in the fall of 2007, iirc.

 

[tarheel8600]

That link doesn't work.

Thank you, Otto. I went back and fixed it.

 

[tarheel8600]

Tarheel, it's Spivey not Hicks. He did testify to the time.

Thank you, CG. I went back and fixed the name. I posted in too much of a hurry and mixed up the names. Sorry. Thanks again for pointing it out! I want the post to be correct.