Trial Discussion Thread #12 - 14.03.24, Day 14

[zwiebel]

That stuff about the curtain tiebacks was really scraping the barrel. Asking the judge to accept witness completely lied about being able to see out of her bedroom window. He was also under the impression they were those hook on the wall ones and didn't know it was a moveable rope, I think....

 

[04009margaret]

Lol...

There will be no living with Australia if they get there first...

Jk

I'm afraid our clown of a PM loves publicity, we call him a camera wh@@@

 

[sorrell skye]

They clearly have a checklist of common objections to raise...

Here we are once again with giving the witnesses a hard time about being in the witness room. If the court tells them to go in the witness room, what the h#ll do you want them to do??... Run the other way and say no I can't go in there.
Ok, I'm out for the night. Desperately need sleep and a sanity check. Will tune in tomorrow morn for the rest.

Good night and good luck!

BBM

I know - right???

I've been listening to this pathetic cross-examination and wondering WTH???

If this is all the Defense has for their cross, I shudder to think what they might come up with during their CIC.

Gawd help me.

 

[Trooper]

Now OW is getting decorating tips about curtains....

I think its a bit rich for Oscar to be instructing his barrister to sling off about her interior decoration, which really, is quite nice, considering his own, which has the air of a dorky reader of cheap bulk catalogue furniture.

 

[Viper]

It's normal since OP is paying him to defend his case and OW will be asking OP if there is anything OP thinks he's forgotten or that he should have asked that could help his case.

That could be true, but I doubt it very much. And now OW asks for and gets a lunch break with Mrs. Stipp still on the stand; it just looks like OW can't seem to break her so he wants time to think and get help thinking from the other lawyers on the DT.

 

[Trooper]

it really is as if this prolonged and frightful womanly screaming is to be erased and eliminated from the consciousness of everybody .

I mean. not an OUNCE of shame on Oscars face. NOT A WRINKLE>

drop your head you murdering little .

 

[G.bng]

Clever girl noticing the curtain and camera angle for the window shot from where she would be.

The defence is obviously not very camera savvy or merely using these stupid comparisons of incomparable situations to confuse and obfuscate. That pic was taken at a higher angle and a greater distance than where she would have been lying in bed, or sitting on it. The camera angle is above the break looking down and therefore taken from higher up than the break in the curtains while the W would have been below the break in the curtains considerably widening her vision to that which the camera could take.

imo these incomparable comparisons cannot surely be just ignorance, like the one where defence concluded from the line up of the tiles that the bat had been moved when the photos being compared were taken from completely different angles, i.e. one was taken from the top end of the bat while the other was taken from the handle end... totally ridiculous. Anyone who doubts should try this with any long object on tiles and see how the line up moves from when you take the photo from one end and the other, it's called perspective and foreshortening and part of my work as an illustrator.

 

[04009margaret]

I wonder what the defence ballistics experts have found during this cross. They passed the laptop around & then called OW attention to it, that's why he called for a break.

 

[Trooper]

I'm afraid our clown of a PM loves publicity, we call him a camera wh@@@

some talk of Tony. ( the PM ) actually talking the wheel of a airbus and flying himself right into the center of things, marg


the embarrassment. :facepalm:

 

[MeeBee]

I'm afraid our clown of a PM loves publicity, we call him a camera wh@@@

Haha, I made that joke to my husband the other day when Australia first spotted the debris but I guess it was kind of true. :floorlaugh:

(I don't mean this is any kind of disparaging way toward Australia though, fwiw).

 

[04009margaret]

some talk of Tony. ( the PM ) actually talking the wheel of a airbus and flying himself right into the center of things, marg


the embarrassment. :facepalm:

If they find the wing, he'll be the one standing on it lol

 

[james83]

I wonder what the defence ballistics experts have found during this cross. They passed the laptop around & then called OW attention to it, that's why he called for a break.

One of them probably just want's to know where the Stipp's bought those curtains.

 

[sorrell skye]

Clever girl noticing the curtain and camera angle for the window shot from where she would be.

The defence is obviously not very camera savvy or merely using these stupid comparisons of incomparable situations to confuse and obfuscate. That pic was taken at a higher angle and a greater distance than where she would have been lying in bed, or sitting on it. The camera angle is above the break looking down and therefore taken from higher up than the break in the curtains while the W would have been below the break in the curtains considerably widening her vision to that which the camera could take.

imo these incomparable comparisons cannot surely be just ignorance, like the one where defence concluded from the line up of the tiles that the bat had been moved when the photos being compared were taken from completely different angles, i.e. one was taken from the top end of the bat while the other was taken from the handle end... totally ridiculous. Anyone who doubts should try this with any long object on tiles and see how the line up moves from when you take the photo from one end and the other, it's called perspective and foreshortening and part of my work as an illustrator.

ITA!

Either the Defense team are total idiots, or they're hoping My Lady is a total idiot.

Actually, I think the Defense team are literally dripping with desperation and are clutching & clawing at any shred of a straw they can grasp onto.

 

[04009margaret]

Haha, I made that joke to my husband the other day when Australia first spotted the debris but I guess it was kind of true. :floorlaugh:

(I don't mean this is any kind of disparaging way toward Australia though, fwiw).

If he had his way he's don his red buggie smugglers & swim to the spot to be the first on scene. lol

 

[james83]

quote of the day, Mrs Stipp.
"I am 100% certain it was a women screaming".

 

[Interested Bystander]

What is the relevance of Stipp making a mistake with the phone call?, just shut up and get on with it GRRRRRRRRRRRR.

I think this goes to show just how desperate the DT is and how little they have to throw at the Prosecution.

 

[G.bng]

I'm still v. interested in learning how OP will prove his toilet light was not working.

Yep, it appears the defence case will have to include proving:

1. The light was not working
2. That OP screams in a woman's voice
3. That OP can also scream in two voices, male and female, at the same time
4. That Mrs Stipp can't see the window between curtain ties
5. That witnesses Burger, Johnson, Merwe, Mr Stipp and Mrs Stipp were all either mistaken or that they all did one or more of the following: colluded, lied, were influenced by their partners where applicable, were influenced by the media etc.

At least witnesses themselves seem to have "proved" that bats can be mistaken for shots... unless that is that OP did shoot twice, once out the window so no cases found, and the bats weren't heard by anyone except OP... oh and maybe by one of his friends who lives next door who may also testify and who of course will never be biased... never!

 

[Peliman]

That's the one. He said, no, that's Oscar.

I'm almost sure we'll hear from this witness but I do question a few things. She heard the woman scream and maybe he the man but if he says it's Oscar screaming in both voices I'll scream.

I mean did Oscar stand on his porch previously and scream for her husband so he knew? It sounds sketchy to me. I'll post more later, off to a Dr. appt. soon.

 

[sorrell skye]

I disagree, we don't know the call did go through as far as I recall. Roux tried that one on Mr Stipp and it was never clarified and as Stipp said, why would he call twice if he got through the first time. We haven't seen the phone records and maybe SA phone records are not too good, or maybe Stipp thought he called the correct number and called another, who knows without the records. Baba also had and encounter with Roux about the order of phone calls. It seems to me that the defence puts out a lot of "facts" that are not necessarily so.

BBM

Exactly!

If one reaches the person they were calling the first time, they wouldn't need to call back.

It's almost embarrassing to watch Oldwage cross-examine the witness. But, at the same time, it's quite comical.

I'm glad I stayed up for tonight's testimony.

 

[MeeBee]

I'm almost sure we'll hear from this witness but I do question a few things. She heard the woman scream and maybe he the man but if he says it's Oscar screaming in both voices I'll scream.

I mean did Oscar stand on his porch previously and scream for her husband so he knew? It sounds sketchy to me. I'll post more later, off to a Dr. appt. soon.

She said he recognized his voice.