Trial Discussion Thread #21 - 14.04.09, Day 19

[DebinGA]

Huge difference in Stipp and OP's circumstances.

OP's instinct is to lie, deny and blame - anything other than accept.

How long did it take Nel to get him to admit he'd killed Reeva?

"I made a mistake"............ ????

A mistake? Is there any other word he could have used to minimise the murder even further? I think not.

Yep, at least make it "an unforgivable mistake".

 

[04009margaret]

Yes, I guess I wasn't paying close attention the first time around.

He did say it was accidental. He goes on later to explain that yes he pulled the trigger but he did it without actually forming the thought or intent to kill someone in the bathroom.

This is his problem with him. He's thinking of him & the consequences, not the truth. His whole testimony has been manufactured to fit the evidence & occasionally little bits of the truth slip out before he can catch himself.

 

[sleuth-d-]

BIB .. I'm pretty sure that door bashing bit came just after when he went downstairs to open the front door (ready for when he brought Reeva down .. which I think is a bit nuts anyway, if you wan't to do something that quickly .. he should've just brought Reeva straight down, placed her on the floor, opened the door, and then out into the car) .. it was when he went back upstairs to get her that he bashed the door in (when has he ever had to do that before, just because of humidity and expansion, and can't get his bedroom door to open? :facepalm .. but anyway, agree with the rest of your post, the point still stands.

so a further door locked/then broken down during that last night, early morning [before anyone got to the scene].

 

[Insp.Dots]

It's not often that I praise the British Law and government but Thank Goodness we have pre trial laws about what can be said or shown in the media and online.

This case has been full of discrepancy's from bad or incorrect reporting in the Media the recently enquiry into phone hacking etc has made it very clear this will be stopped. I was astonished to find out that even the SA police had leaked things.....no wonder there is such corruption.

 

[wb180]

Can I ask - telling the truth about what exactly?

In general? On specific points?

I don't want to come across as a supporter, because I am a fence sitter. My personal stance is that he is guilty of culpable homicide.

But so many posts here are 'LOL he is crumbling!', 'Nel is going to chew him up and spit him out!', hilarious laughing emoticons (I personally can't find the humour in any of it :twocents and talking about his constant lies, when I have yet to see one conclusive 'lie' - mistakes, inconsistencies, but no (as yet) straight up lies.. I'm not following so many posts because of the relentless blood baying here. Just me?

As a person who is guilty of using the laughing emoticons, I unfortunately have to use it because some of OP's statements really are a joke and I just have to laugh at them. Sorry :seeya:

 

[jay-jay]

Hi Jay Jay! Hey I was just sharing what OP said happened to his bedroom doors, I don't believe any of that. IMO he beat / bashed through his bedroom doors to get at Reeva when she first locked him out for her own safety and protection. All of the "the doors are solid wood, but they are briitle, and they expeand and get stuck" nonsense is just the cover story that Roux and Co created for OP.

Oh, totally agree with you, Viper! I was just correcting what he had actually testified, and that it was during the period when he was preparing to carry Reeva downstairs and not later on when the paramedics arrived and asked for ID.

 

[TorisMom003]

It's not often that I praise the British Law and government but Thank Goodness we have pre trial laws about what can be said or shown in the media and online.

This case has been full of discrepancy's from bad or incorrect reporting in the Media the recently enquiry into phone hacking etc has made it very clear this will be stopped. I was astonished to find out that even the SA police had leaked things.....no wonder there is such corruption.

I'm confused as to what the SA police "leaked things". What exactly did they "leak" and where/what is the proof of them "leaking things"?

 

[MeeBee]

Can I ask - telling the truth about what exactly?

In general? On specific points?

I don't want to come across as a supporter, because I am a fence sitter. My personal stance is that he is guilty of culpable homicide.

But so many posts here are 'LOL he is crumbling!', 'Nel is going to chew him up and spit him out!', hilarious laughing emoticons (I personally can't find the humour in any of it :twocents and talking about his constant lies, when I have yet to see one conclusive 'lie' - mistakes, inconsistencies, but no (as yet) straight up lies.. I'm not following so many posts because of the relentless blood baying here. Just me?

It's not just you. I find there are some who are finding too much giddiness in all this.

 

[nastasya]

When OP was talking about him being in the kitchen when paramedics and police where there, before Reeva was taken out of the house, he said that he stayed around the corner from seeing her. Couldn't look at Reeva because every time he looked at Reeva he got sick. Now, is he being literal? Sick as in needing the green bucket from court? If so, why is there NO vomit upstairs in the bathroom, toilet room, bedroom, stairs or downstairs?

When you listen to the killer's testimony, notice this:

There is a huge difference in how he answers questions about events after people showed up at his house. He is more matter of fact and composed.

When he's spinning his multiple versions of what happened when he was alone with Reeva, he's incredibly evasive, self-contradictory, and defensive.

Wonder why?

 

[G.bng]

I'm not too sure of the angle here?

If he normally locks the bedroom door at night, he'd presume it to be locked when he gets up.

If he asked Reeva to lock up before bed, he'd presume it to be locked when he gets up.

When he got up that morning with his gun to tackle the intruder, he wouldn't naturally go to the bedroom door,
as he'd presume it to be locked when he gets up.

But where pray would Mr Pistorius keep the key ? I would doubt in some difficult to reach/find place so that if a fire breaks his bedroom becomes a death trap ?

 

[04009margaret]

You disagree that he's disowned part of his affidavit by saying he wasn't there when it was written and didn't know how his words had been 'interpreted' and that's why it's not accurate?

That one made me laugh, I bet Roux nearly fell out if his chair lol

 

[Viper]

Could be. But why change it from went out on the balcony to say he only went to the balcony? If it was a fabrication in the first place, why not just stick with the fabrication as he initially told it?

I gave my guess in my post, quote:

"BTW I can only deduce that after giving it great consideration his team recognized that if he was on the balcony light would illuminate the bedroom, so he must have been able to see Reeva missing. Hence the change to the fairy tale"

I went back yesterday and read Magistrate Nair's comments to OP, questions he had, this issue is one of Nair's questions and obviously it needed to be dealt with. Roux an Co designed away to try to get around it, change it.

 

[steveml]

The difference is one went back and made the change the next day on her own and owned up to it, while the other says that he didn't even write/type up his statement at all and any problems in it are the cause of his lawyers.

Sorry, I was referring to a previous discussion with me and Viper.

The statement issue.
I think the relevance in all of this is that despite both witnesses and accused claiming that things are done entirely on there own, without any help or using outside influences, it's ultimately naive to believe this will always be the case.

This is where the evidence will help. Unfortunately we haven't got very far with that yet, other than a detailed inquiry about a fan.

 

[soozieqtips]

Can I ask - telling the truth about what exactly?

In general? On specific points?

I don't want to come across as a supporter, because I am a fence sitter. My personal stance is that he is guilty of culpable homicide.

But so many posts here are 'LOL he is crumbling!', 'Nel is going to chew him up and spit him out!', hilarious laughing emoticons (I personally can't find the humour in any of it :twocents and talking about his constant lies, when I have yet to see one conclusive 'lie' - mistakes, inconsistencies, but no (as yet) straight up lies..
I'm not following so many posts because of the relentless blood baying here. Just me?

BBM - There was plenty of relentless blood baying when the State witnesses gave evidence. Lots of mocking and sarcasm towards people who hadn't committed murder... and were just carrying out their civic duty by recalling the events of the night Oscar Pistorius murdered Reeva Steenkamp. But you'd never have known it if you'd read some of the posts. They were liars, conspirators and embellishers. If you find the comments about OP hard to follow, then I assume you must have missed all the derogatory posts about the innocent State witnesses.

 

[TorisMom003]

It's not just you. I find there are some who are finding too much giddiness in all this.

I have felt the same way when the State was giving their CIC. I have felt the same way when something has been brought up that discredits OP's "version" of events for that night and next morning. I also decide to move past those posts and continue reading other posts since we all have different ways of expressing ourselves.

MOO

 

[MeeBee]

I don't know what to make of him. He seems like he's choosing his answers too carefully and he's saying too much often times. So far, still no vast inconsistencies in his stories. I think Nel is doing exactly what he needs to do pointing out the inconsistencies in statements. But nothing that jumps out to me that indicates he's lying. But...he talks about himself too much. Guilty or not, he's a bit self centered. He just needs to stop talking so much and answer the friggin questions. I do get the impression the judge finds him genuine. But I don't know what that will mean for her ruling in the end. I still think she'll be totally fair.

 

[BritsKate]

Can I ask - telling the truth about what exactly?



In general? On specific points?



I don't want to come across as a supporter, because I am a fence sitter. My personal stance is that he is guilty of culpable homicide.



But so many posts here are 'LOL he is crumbling!', 'Nel is going to chew him up and spit him out!', hilarious laughing emoticons (I personally can't find the humour in any of it :twocents and talking about his constant lies, when I have yet to see one conclusive 'lie' - mistakes, inconsistencies, but no (as yet) straight up lies.. I'm not following so many posts because of the relentless blood baying here. Just me?

Since I said chew him up and spit him out...

I was referring specifically to Oscar's unexpected admission his gun discharged accidentally. That, in this case, is HUGE. That will be back to bite him in a very big way. I stand by it. No blood baying - its stupid for any defendant to make any admission that's not elicited through cross. He did and it wasn't. Now that he did, Nel is gonna run with it.


Please pardon errors as posted via Tapatalk with a less than stellar user.

 

[steveml]

But where pray would Mr Pistorius keep the key ? I would doubt in some difficult to reach/find place so that if a fire breaks his bedroom becomes a death trap ?

Pray may be the key word in the event of a fire.

I really don't know the answer to that yet. I've still got fans in my head.

:smile:

 

[MeeBee]

I have felt the same way when the State was giving their CIC. I have felt the same way when something has been brought up that discredits OP's "version" of events for that night and next morning. I also decide to move past those posts and continue reading other posts since we all have different ways of expressing ourselves.

MOO

I think it happens on all sides.

 

[sleuth-d-]

BIB Absolutely! That lie was used to explain why he did not see Reeva leave the bed and go in to the bathroom. That is very significant. That he changed it is also significant! And he is paying the price for that right now.

BTW I can only deduce that after giving it great consideration his team recognized that if he was on the balcony light would illuminate the bedroom, so he must have been able to see Reeva missing. Hence the change to the fairy tale.

but

it is a fairly confined area [photo in session 5 today]... not much space between the bed and the balcony window... lots of plugs wires and implements on that side. plus op and two fans being dragged in.

assuming she was sleeping on the balcony side of the bed. how did she get out of the bed unnoticed/unheard. she had to [a] walk straight past him, or shuffle across the bed to exit at the other corner of the bed - but do it in total silence.

is this plausible