Trial Discussion Thread #21 - 14.04.09, Day 19

[steveml]

If I was under oath and someone said 'Have you heard of a crappy before?' I'd say no. If I then saw an old video of myself saying 'I feel a bit crappy today,' I wouldn't consider myself to have lied under oath.

Yep, just asked the question to my g/friend.

Answer: A crappy what's that?

I said it's being discussed re: the OP case.

Now she's really confused. hoh:

 

[MeeBee]

Perhaps I worded it poorly. However:
The state can prove the direct intention by proving that the accused actually meant to kill the deceased. Evidence that the accused and the victim were involved in a stormy argument before the killing or that the accused had previously threatened the life of the victim could be important.

The state can also prove intention via the concept of dolus eventualis. This form of intention exists where the state can prove that while the accused might not have meant to kill the victim, he nevertheless foresaw the possibility and nevertheless proceeded with his actions. “Jub Jub” Maarohanye and his co-accused Themba Tshabalala were convicted of murder on the basis of dolus eventualis as the court found that they foresaw that their reckless driving in a built up area might lead to the killing on innocent bystanders.

http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/oscar-pistorius-criminal-law-101/

Yes, apparently it will be a bit more subjective. I don't think culpable homicide is out of the question. From what I've read he could very well be found guilty of that. I don't think he will be acquitted.

 

[lisasalinger]

Lisa, I'm listening to experts say that Nel is right in this current argument over the video because of the good character evidence that Roux put before for the court yesterday. I can't recall what that evidence was & the experts aren't saying. Can you recall what it was?

My brain is a little fried right now but a few that come to mind are OP talking about his charitable work. Also when Roux asked him if he has ever come to the aid of someone and he told stories about how he helped a woman in distress, rescued a man being beaten up in the road, etc. That type of stuff.

 

[graceholl]

Yep, just asked the question to my g/friend.

Answer: A crappy what's that?

I said it's being discussed re: the OP case.

Now she's really confused. hoh:

:floorlaugh: my apologies to your girlfriend!

 

[TartLemon]

A few years ago, a man shot his teenage daughter because she woke him, coming into the house from a date. In his waking stupor, the Father thought she was a burglar.

I think the same happened here. In a crisis situation, real time is irrelevant. The perception speeds it up or slows it down.

 

[kaos]

I don't remember any character evidence being introduced yesterday. :waitasec:

You must have missed all the awards he's got, the work he's done with children etc although it wasn't yesterday as that was xxxxx baba day.

 

[MeeBee]

My brain is a little fried right now but a few that come to mind are OP talking about his charitable work. Also when Roux asked him if he has ever come to the aid of someone and he told stories about how he helped a woman in distress, rescued a man being beaten up in the road, etc. That type of stuff.

Oh, yes! That would probably be it.

 

[steveml]

Whatever it was it happened yesterday, experts are saying Roux introduced good character evidence yesterday which opens up the door

Thanks.

Not sure what it is then. I suspect it must have been during his background information/upbringing speech.

 

[beach]

Mod note:

I've had to edit/remove 4 posts within the past 15 minutes for name calling, lawyer bashing, hurling childish insults. It is not necessary and adds nothing to the discussion.

LAST WARNING. TO's next.

 

[BritsKate]

Yes, apparently it will be a bit more subjective. I don't think culpable homicide is out of the question. From what I've read he could very well be found guilty of that. I don't think he will be acquitted.

RBBM
I think its pretty unlikely too. Lots of legal experts seem to feel CH at a minimum because of his statement alone. CH can happen...but only if he can prove putative self-defence. Yet another subjective arena none of us can predict.

 

[MeeBee]

You must have missed all the awards he's got, the work he's done with children etc although it wasn't yesterday as that was xxxxx baba day.

I didn't.

 

[MsY]

back!

 

[G.bng]

See above posts.

If Nel had asked him if ever uttered the phrase zombie stopper, and OP said no, then you could argue that's a lie.

I do not think he lied. I think he didn't know what the heck Nel was talking about.

Puleeease, those claiming OP "didn't know what the heck Nel was talking about", plueeease get real...

OP was in to guns, had several and was planning to augment his collection, right? He goes to shooting practice at a range with his buddies and when alive possibly with Reeva too, right? And he EVEN has and uses rare Black Tallon soft nosed bullets, you know, those vintage ones that are no longer manufactured and Mangena told the court were very difficult to find and expensive when you did, right? The following a from another make of soft nose bullets,: http://www.majorpandemic.com/2011/12/hornady-zombiemax-ammunition-review.html

(BIM)

These Zmax tipped hollow point bullets are devastating zombie stoppers. The 00 buckshot 12 guage rounds were stunningly effective at close ranges. Without question the Zombie Max ammunition is a must have for your zombie preparedness kit. Don’t leave home without them.

Anyone still claiming OP didn't tell even a teeny weeny fib ?!

 

[zwiebel]

Here we go...

 

[Suthrnqt]

That's not quite how the law or intent reads to me, speaking of SA law, specifically.

Are you in SA or another country? Asking because I wanted to know how peeps in SA feel about this trial. Thnx

 

[MeeBee]

back!

Which stream are you watching?

 

[BritsKate]

Video's in. After much grandstanding.

 

[lisasalinger]

I'm a big TWD fan. According to that show bullets only work on Zombies if you hit the brain.

For a vampires I think you need a silver bullet to the heart.

Silver bullets are not usually lethal for vampires.

Wooden stake in the heart does the trick.

#teamdamon

 

[zwiebel]

R: I will make a submission I believe will resolve this issue..

Now Roux is reading from a legal doc. Not sure if it pertains to this case or another one...

He is getting around to maybe agree to it being shown? Says OP has not seen the video.

Okay, he says he agrees but as long as it's not seen as evidence.

 

[Really?]

I saw that, but we don't know (and can't know) who was speaking.

This is true...I thought Nel had asked if he'd ever heard the term before...:dunno: