Trial Discussion Thread #21 - 14.04.09, Day 19

[04009margaret]

Have you got a link please?

http://ewn.co.za/Features/oscarpistorius/live-blog

It has just finished for the day now, but it's on every court day & for 1-2 hours after court finished

 

[Interested Bystander]

WOW a legal expert is tipping that the DT will ask the court for a postponement in the morning due to OP being emotionally unwell. They are predicting the court will have to allow it.

Sounds as though Roux needs to attempt to take OP through the case again and ensure he stops inferring everyone else is at fault and never he, and see if he can get him to answer the questions, hard though they may be. OP is stalling for a Culpable Homicide outcome. He knows what he is doing. Can't imagine Roux et al will be pleased with being blamed for the Affidavit being written up incorrectly.

 

[Viper]

I'm pretty sure OP testified yesterday that he locked the door when he got ready for bed. I think he also mentioned the locks don't always hold that well.

OP said yesterday that he would use the cricket bat to secure the door. Hmm... He also described his bedroom doors as being made of "solid wood." Ok. Then immediately said that his solid wood doors were "brittle." Huh? And that they would swell and get stuck from the humidity. Hmm... Then today he says that when he ran upstairs to get Reeva's purse for the paramedics he had to barge through his bedroom doors. :no:

 

[aa9511]

R: Plastic bags?

O: Trying to put pressure on her, to stop the bleeding. Ms S asked me for rope or anything, to tie R's arm so it wouldn't bleed so much. There's a cabinet in my pantry...don't know if I fetched them or Ms S did

Ah, did he add that in to "explain" his unexplainable sudden trip upstairs? I don't remember Dr. Stipp saying anything about rope in regards to Oscar suddenly hot-footing it upstairs.

 

[zwiebel]

I thought so, that OP is talking without point and comma, because I have seen an interview that I did not understand a single word.
I'm only following on twitter and I do know why. :smile:
Though I would think, he is very eloquently.

Mmmmm, nein er is nicht......was ist incoherent/rambling in Deutsche? That is what he sounds like to me, and my native language is English....

Lol, I know what incoherent is in Deutsche - me, trying to speak German!

 

[04009margaret]

Are you talking about the part where Nel is questioning him about walking "onto" the balcony? That's as far as I've gotten, but I haven't heard OP say that he wasn't there when the bail aff was written or any of that?

If that's the issue you're talking about - I would say he should have been more accurate with his wording so as not to give a misleading impression that he was on the balcony. However, I do not equate this with Mrs Stipp giving a statement that she saw someone in the window when she didn't see such a thing.

But maybe there's more about the affidavit that I haven't gotten to yet.

Oh there's lots more

 

[aa9511]

Oh, dear God. Oscar now saying the doctor who came didn't seem to know what he was doing and that he seemed overwhelmed. That he, Oscar, was already doing everything the doctor said to do.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[JanIreland]

hey guys , where an i watch todays session again watched it live but there was so much going on , I need to watch again TIA

 

[zwiebel]

IMO The judge seems to be somewhat protective of OP.

This is what I picked up. And now I'm wondering if she was being so to avoid the possibility the poster is raising underneath your post, of the trial collapsing because OP is emotionally unfit?

 

[soozieqtips]

OP said yesterday that he would use the cricket bat to secure the door. Hmm... He also described his bedroom doors as being made of "solid wood." Ok. Then immediately said that his solid wood doors were "brittle." Huh? And that they would swell and get stuck from the humidity. Hmm... Then today he says that when he ran upstairs to get Reeva's purse for the paramedics he had to barge through his bedroom doors. :no:

And he took special care to say that he hadn't gone through Reeva's purse... that he'd just grabbed it.
Such an odd thing to say.

 

[minor4th]

OP said yesterday that he would use the cricket bat to secure the door. Hmm... He also described his bedroom doors as being made of "solid wood." Ok. Then immediately said that his solid wood doors were "brittle." Huh? And that they would swell and get stuck from the humidity. Hmm... Then today he says that when he ran upstairs to get Reeva's purse for the paramedics he had to barge through his bedroom doors. :no:

What's the problem with this?

I do recall him saying he put the cricket bat down to stop the door, but he explained that he did that because even though he locks the door, the locks are not that great or they don't always hold etc.

But I'm not seeing the problem in the various statements he made about the doors that you mentioned.

 

[minor4th]

This is what I picked up. And now I'm wondering if she was being so to avoid the possibility the poster is raising underneath your post, of the trial collapsing because OP is emotionally unfit?

Maybe so. I'm sure she does not want to keep having recesses while OP collects himself. She wants to get through this

 

[BritsKate]

Ah, did he add that in to "explain" his unexplainable sudden trip upstairs? I don't remember Dr. Stipp saying anything about rope in regards to Oscar suddenly hot-footing it upstairs.

I don't think so - pantries are usually attached to the kitchen area. He went upstairs to get her purse - which he absolutely didn't go through - for paramedics.

 

[minor4th]

hey guys , where an i watch todays session again watched it live but there was so much going on , I need to watch again TIA

http://www.wildabouttrial.com/one_off/oscar-pistorius-trial-archive/

 

[minor4th]

Oh there's lots more

LOL I probably jumped the gun. I thought we were done, but it was only a break. I'm listening to the rest now.

 

[aa9511]

R: Did you go to the kitchen?

O: Reeva had already died before the ambulance arrived so I knew there was nothing I could do for her.

R: Did you at some stage go to the kitchen?

O: I stood a bit away, the kitchen's open plan....then a paramed came to me and said 'I'd like to inform you, Reeva has passed'.

bbm

???????

Now he says he knew Reeva had died???

He was just a minute ago saying the doctor was incompetent for not apparently doing more to "help" Reeva?? When we know from the good doctor's testimony that the good doctor already knew she was dead.

It was Oscar a minute ago who apparently did not think she was dead. On top of that, he had his fingers in her mouth to "help" her breathe. On top of that, shouting at the doctor to come back and "help" her.

Why did he do all of the above if he "already knew she had died."

Oh my, Oscar is not very good at this. He thinks he has his story down pat, but he doesn't.

 

[moomin]

The biggest point that came out for me today was he totally smashed the perception of him being so unstable & barely able to move on his stumps. Today he claimed he ran on his stumps

Yes i noticed that he RAN quite a lot before putting on his prosthetics !

 

[Deleted member 102539]

No worries. He intentionally showed it, which is why I think he wanted to show the watermelon shooting video. To purely have a preface for the head wound photo display.

Judge didn't object to photo. Was up for few mins, though she was prompt in requesting it be taken down asap.

It was planned to show the photo and Reeva's mother June was forewarned by Nel or Judge.

 

[nastasya]

Are you talking about the part where Nel is questioning him about walking "onto" the balcony? That's as far as I've gotten, but I haven't heard OP say that he wasn't there when the bail aff was written or any of that?

If that's the issue you're talking about - I would say he should have been more accurate with his wording so as not to give a misleading impression that he was on the balcony. However, I do not equate this with Mrs Stipp giving a statement that she saw someone in the window when she didn't see such a thing.

But maybe there's more about the affidavit that I haven't gotten to yet.

I agree 100%.

The killer's original claim that he went out on the balcony to retrieve two fans is much more significant.

The killer needed an excuse to explain how he could possibly not have been aware that Reeva got up out of bed and walked to the bathroom. Thus, the balcony story was created.

The problem with being on the balcony while Reeva peed is that it's TOO obvious - the killer should have realized he could have missed Reeva get up to pee while he was outside.

The new version absolves the killer totally - he was dicking around with the fans in the bedroom, trying to cover the LED on the stereo, all while Reeva silently and invisibly got out of bed and walked into the bathroom.

The fan story is the most important foundation of the killer's alibi. He needs a story to explain both a) how he missed Reeva getting up, and b) why he wouldn't presume the person in the bathroom was her.

Now he's admitted to perjuring himself in the affidavit on the single most important part of his alibi.

 

[soozieqtips]

Are you talking about the part where Nel is questioning him about walking "onto" the balcony? That's as far as I've gotten, but I haven't heard OP say that he wasn't there when the bail aff was written or any of that?

If that's the issue you're talking about - I would say he should have been more accurate with his wording so as not to give a misleading impression that he was on the balcony. However, I do not equate this with Mrs Stipp giving a statement that she saw someone in the window when she didn't see such a thing.

But maybe there's more about the affidavit that I haven't gotten to yet.

In his affidavit, he says he went out onto the balcony. Now he says he never said that and that he was never out on the balcony. That's quite a leap from on the balcony... to never on the balcony. You did say if he'd knowingly signed a document that contained incorrect information, you'd be hard on him too... and he did indeed knowingly sign a document that contained incorrect information. It can't be one rule for him, and another for Mrs Stipp. He's also insisting his version has never changed, when in fact it's changed quite a bit! And if he knowingly signed a document which had incorrect information in it, how can you be sure which parts of it are true anymore?