Trial Discussion Thread #22 - 14.04.10, Day 20

[zwiebel]

Somebody's being interviewed who knew OP well at school on whoop. Maybe a former coach?

http://whoopwhoop.tv/pistoriusradio.htm

ETA MR Oates?Oakes? OP put 'his head om my shoulder and said, Mr Oakes, am I going to make the team?'

And OP said 'It wasn't fair what you are doing' so Mr O put him on the team.

 

[Gryffindor]

It could affect sentencing . Has he suffered enough .
Defence may argue that he has .

I don't understand, sorry.

Which bit could affect sentencing? Thanks

 

[soozieqtips]

If we believe that he yelled out for intruders to get out of the house she may have panicked and slammed the door and locked it behind her.

No. He heard the door slam before he ever yelled out to intruders.

 

[MeeBee]

Your posts make me laugh. I like that you admit when mistaken, and in a light-hearted way.

Lol, well it's the least I can do for being an idiot sometimes. I don't even know what happened here. The time difference confused me, I think.

 

[Trooper]

Captain Mangena has testified that the Glock cannot accidentally discharge. The trigger must be pulled.

I believe Mangena.

I think OP was stupid and pulled the trigger on a loaded gun in a crowded restaurant.

to fire the bullet.. to discharge it. the trigger has to be pulled. the bullet itself is in inertia until the trigger is pulled. this is simple physics.. to claim it was accidental is the concept of a person who thinks the sun will suspend itself in the sky . Oscar wants us to believe that even the laws of gravity suspended for him. That's astonishing stuff.

Oscar says, he never pulled the trigger. so we have to believe in a gun that, all by itself defies the laws of physics that every other matter, thing or human on earth is subject to .


the great miracle gun of tashas restaurant.

 

[zwiebel]

OP's legs 'were always coming off at school....he gave a devastating tackle; he loved to tackle, and his legs just flew off'

(Whoop interview)

 

[AlexUK]

If we believe that he yelled out for intruders to get out of the house she may have panicked and slammed the door and locked it behind her.

If you are in a room where the door opens outwards is it possible to slam it???

 

[canny]

So, im struggling to keep up today but from what I can gather, all we have learnt as fact today is that OP is negligent with guns?...and we all knew that anyway as a woman is dead because of it.

If you are adhering to OP's testimony on the stand you are factually incorrect because OP has denied ever firing the gun in the restaurant and through the sun roof in the car. OP an gun enthusiast firing his guns illegally in public can never be referred to as an act of negligence!

What this delusional man on trial for premeditated murder is doing is committing perjury, perjury and more perjury under oath. Don't you think it is ominous that not even once Roux has stood up to raise any objections,his defense team is flabbergasted by his treacherous behavior.OP has succeeded with aplomb in casting aspersions on the credibility of his own defense team, they do look gutted.

 

[MeeBee]

No need to apologise. I just remember that the segment after lunch always seems short.

I do too, I don't even know why I thought it was three hours. :facepalm:

 

[sleuth-d-]

I find it really interesting that there are virtually no objections...

yep, roux looked deflated.


i can imagine op getting detailed advice, and is now totally ignoring/forgetting it on the stand.

 

[MeeBee]

If you are in a room where the door opens outwards is it possible to slam it???

Sure, why not?

 

[Forensics]

Captain Mangena has testified that DF's Glock cannot accidentally discharge. The trigger must be pulled.

I believe Mangena.

I think OP was stupid and pulled the trigger on a loaded gun in a crowded restaurant.

From what I've read the Glocks are made purposely for fast shooting and when there is a bullet in the chamber the hammer is almost fully cocked so there is only a minimal amount of trigger pressure needed to fire. The shooting may well have been accidental as he wasn't used to handling this type of weapon and he didn't realise how responsive the trigger mechanism was.

 

[jay-jay]

Understandably so. If he was so fearful, believing it to be an intruder, he shot in auto pilot mode. I understand what Oscar's saying. I think Nel does too.

It's one thing understanding what he is saying .. I understand what he is saying too .. but do you/does 'one' believe him? I certainly don't.

 

[Gbtaketwo]

I don't understand, sorry.

Which bit could affect sentencing? Thanks

There are other cases where people have shot loved ones and have not been given custodial sentences because they have suffered enough .
Both those cases only involved only one shot being fired though .
One case involved a husband shooting a pregnant wife ,one was a dad shooting his daughter .
This is why I think Nel wanted it on record that he had not told Reeva he loved her .
In texts he just says he likes her
JMOO

 

[Gryffindor]

.. because Reeva is the one who is dead, in this particular case. It doesn't matter what she did or didn't do, she is the victim here and Nel is trying .. quite rightly .. to work out why she ended up dead .. no question to OP in regard to their relationship is 'unfair'.

But Nel's focusing on the state of the relationship. A relationship involves TWO people to make up the whole scenario.

If the girl in a relationship says "I love him" you can't assume it's a loving relationship. The partner may then say "I don't love them".

 

[steveml]

she may have had time to scream if there was a gap, but as to whether op heard any screams [or anything else]... didn't op cover this by saying the noise of the gun going off caused him to be temporarily deafened.

i have no idea whether temporary deafness would be the case.
but it was a confined space.

He did indeed. I'm the same, I have no idea on this other than it would have been extremely loud.

The clearest definition I've heard of the shots with respect to time is Estelle Van der Merwe's version 'four consecutive noises, bang, bang, bang, bang, and Johan Stipps version of 'almost on top of each other...bang, bang, bang.'

Even they don't correlate as Johan Stipp only indicates three shots. :banghead:

 

[Forensics]

Has Roux being objecting much today during this cross exam ?

none at all....not a squeak.

 

[canny]

Oscar is clearly trying to avoid using the words "intend" and "deliberate" IMO

I have only one question for you.

Has OP purgered himself on the stand?

Simple answer :

Yes or No?

 

[Gbtaketwo]

none at all....not a squeak.

Mmmm ...that seems a little odd.

 

[atthelake]

More importantly at Tasha's Oscar says he didn't pull the trigger, he doesn't know who did, he was holding the firearm and it discharged but it wasn't him!

I kept expecting him to ask when the gun was transferred to you after accepting the gun into your hands....and it appears that you did accept that responsibility by discharging the one up.... wasn't anything that happened while the gun was in your possession your responsibility?