Trial Discussion Thread #22 - 14.04.10, Day 20

[sorrell skye]

Wow - OP keeps bringing up how badly he believes Reeva treated him for not introducing him to someone at a social function.

Good grief - the more he brings it up, the more I'm inclined to believe that he must have been royally pissed off about it.

 

[katydid23]

this is irrelevant .. yes op isn't the nicest guy at times .. he's self centered .. he's a 'bad' bf at times .. so what ? .. I doubt most people are saints .. none of this proves he intentionally killed her .. I wonder when this guy is going to get back to the facts of the case ?

Nel has to show that this couple had silly stupid fights over petty things. If they got into a fight that night, it came out of nowhere. These texts show it was possible as they were discussing similar petty fights.

 

[BritsKate]

The issue really is that Oscar has maintained they were much in love and overwhelmingly happy - the State contends there was an argument that culminated in her murder. All this, boring as it may seem to some - goes to contradict Oscar's assertion that their relationship was idyllic.

MOO

 

[zwiebel]

N: Did you have your finger on the trigger?

O: No Milady

N: You had the gun in your possession....

Now O launching into an amazing explanation how the firearm went off while his finger was NOT on the trigger...

N: You just refused to accept responsibility...

 

[Really?]

Dudes - it's Kendrick Lamar "B*tch Don't Kill My Vibe"

Thanks...i will you tube that later

 

[Trooper]

Nels.. why did yu plead not guilty to discharging the firearm???

Oscar.. I didn't discharge it.

Nel.. How can that be?? you had the gun.. it was in your possession. are you telling this court you didn't have your finger on the trigger??

No I didn't.

Nels. I see.. I see .. lets look at this. you had the gun.. the gun went off you didn't discharge it..

Oscar. as the gun went off, I realized that Darrin had passed me a gun with one up. it went off.

Nels is flabbergasted..

Nels. I must accept the gun went off by itself??

Oscar. I only know. when I checked the gun it went off.

nels. you just refuse to take responsibility.

Nel,,, one thing we can say , mr fresco was negligent..

Oscar... Mr Fresco was negligent in passing me the gun..

 

[AlexUK]

OMG! I didn't have my finger on the trigger! Said TWICE!

:thud:

Course not....'twas the gun's fault for going off!

 

[zwiebel]

O: It was a stupid thing to do, it was negligent.

N: You asked for the gun?

O: Correct Milady.

N mentions the nearby kids and O agrees that's correct.

 

[Cher352]

this is irrelevant .. yes op isn't the nicest guy at times .. he's self centered .. he's a 'bad' bf at times .. so what ? .. I doubt most people are saints .. none of this proves he intentionally killed her .. I wonder when this guy is going to get back to the facts of the case ?

Makes me glad me and my husband never text. Would hate to see how some of our statements when we are having disagreements might appear to others.

 

[MeeBee]

The issue really is that Oscar has maintained they were much in love and overwhelmingly happy - the State contends there was an argument that culminated in her murder. All this, boring as it may seem to some - goes to contradict Oscar's assertion that their relationship was idyllic.

MOO

But, I mean, whose relationship is? We fight, we get the things that bother us out in the open, we make up.

 

[jay-jay]

Oooh .. here we go .. "there were times when she treated me badly" ..

 

[zwiebel]

Now O's just said Lupas phoned Fresco or Lareno and said he found 'a projectile' and gave it back to them.

O: He gave it to one of them

N: What happened to the cartridge? You had it

O: I don't remember

 

[BritsKate]

It probably won't happen but I would like Nel to ask about the child seated next to their table when the gun 'discharged' just to have that point driven home a bit more. The mum in me - apologies.

 

[Really?]

Yes, he's good at showing OP kind of sucks sometimes. But, my god, don't we all?

Not me

 

[MeeBee]

Makes me glad me and my husband never text. Would hate to see how some of our statements when we are having disagreements might appear to others.

I shudder, Cher. Me and my husband handle so many of our fights over messages, fb, Couples app, texts. If either of us ended up on trial and the attorneys brought out our fights in a vacuum and picked them apart, it would look just as bad. And we have a great relationship.

 

[zwiebel]

Now O is being a bit slippery about the difference between a bullet and a cartridge

O: I turned to Mr Fresco and said why he'd given me a firearm

Nel asks why he wanted to see it, and O says because he wanted to buy one and now explains reqs for being 'a collector'.

 

[Trooper]

Oscar has a long story about how Mr and Mrs Loupus and Darrin fresco and Kevin Larena are all friends .. ( implying collaboration )

Oscar. the cartridge fell on to the seat. I don't recall. ..... bit of argy bardy.. nel says alllllrighty, you were right I was wrong.. Oscar is speaking Very fast. very speedy.. words are tumbling out.

Nel. why did you want to see this particular gun ?

Oscar. I was thinking of buying one similar..

Nel. .. after your big order at mr rennes. you wanted more??

Oscar. yes, I wanted to be a collector. one had to buy 2 of each sort. Oscar going they the quality of this gun. smaller, easier to carry it.

Nel. why did you want to see it?

Oscar. fast and nutty explanation re guns, flashlight, I was overseas, I saw a flashlight for this gun, now I wanted to buy the gun to match the flashlight, I wanted to see if this gun had the slide for the flashlight. * god help us all *.

 

[zwiebel]

O is letting his enthusiasm and knowledge about guns show now. Roux will be uneasy...

 

[zwiebel]

N: It's clear you know a lot about firearms.

 

[MeeBee]

I'm really struggling to work out how you say you've been in an abusive relationship, and yet are not recognising anything here .. things for which everyone else who has been in one, stand out a mile.

I know. I know it's frustrating that I don't see it as you do. That I've been abused does not mean I will see every single little conflict and as abuse and every disagreeable man as an abuser. That's not fair.

If this bothers then, please, agree to disagree at this point.