Trial Discussion Thread #22 - 14.04.10, Day 20

[jay-jay]

And of course it couldn't have been during the time period when OP and the Standers were on their own in the house before Dr. Stipp arrived and later the paramedics, even though OP testified that when he went upstairs to get RS's purse for the paramedics he handed it to Ms Stander and then they both went downstairs... This was long after they'd already rummaged around finding extra towels, garbage bags and looked for rope/tape or whatever. :/

Yes, they themselves did a fair old bit of contamination of the crime scene (whether intentional or not), long before the police, crime scene photographers got there. Contamination of the crime scene began when OP started breaking down the door, and from then onwards, everything he touched and moved was contaminated.

 

[shane13]

What type of an attorney is OP Brother? Wonder if family or friend is coaching him.

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Carl P is not an attorney (to my knowledge.)

 

[Viper]

I'm just listening to bits of the trial again on youtube and Nel says this about OP's claim of police tampering with the scene .. "is this like a conspiracy? .. what is that they would do all this to you? <incredulous look> .. why do you think? .. why would the police do all this? <snipped>.. they didn't do it because they knew your version and they wanted to change the scene and not fit your version .. that is one thing you can exclude" 44:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwzV3uB9UrI

I remember Roux trying to throw everyone with regard to the crime scene photos and deliberately trying to confuse the issue by mixing some of the photos taken after the first lot of photos with the first photos taken of the crime scene, then accusing the crime scene photographer of having moved things around .. well yes, he did, but only after the first set of photos had been taken and they were taken exactly how things were found .. it was only after that when the more detailed photos were taken and where things had to be moved in order to see them/record them photographically .. things like the duvet (i.e. to see inside and take photo of blood spatter .. and then Reeva's phone in the bathroom .. it was found under a towel/mat, so that had to be lifted off the phone in order for that photo to be taken). IMO, Roux set all this thing up with regard to crime scene contamination and the unreliability of the photos way back earlier in the trial, just in order that when OP got to this point, he was able to say the same thing .. only, I knew at the time Roux was saying what he was that he was deliberately trying to confuse .. it was so damned obvious at the time, too.

It seemed stupid and an effort to confuse the court when Roux was trying to get the photographer and the detectives to admit that they had moved things, but that issue of crime scene contamination is essential and critical to the defense case! In his plea explanation OP claims that the crime scene was tampered with and contaminated by the police. OP said today that the police put the large fan directly in front of the patio door. OP admits that he could not have exited the patio door with the fan where it is! So OP now has to prove out that the photos of his bedroom were taken after police rearranged the crime scene. I asked earlier and I will ask again, someone please tell me how, on top of all of the other troubles that OPs story has, tell me how the DT is going to prove that the crime scene was rearranged before the photos were taken.

 

[soozieqtips]

If he'd an awareness it was possibly or definitely Reeva behind the door, he'd never have shot.

Only way he could ascertain that, was if Reeva had spoken.

No blaming her. He's just stating the obvious.

When would Reeva have had time to speak? In between OP charging down the hallway and screaming at the 'intruders' to get out of his house? Many people here think that if Reeva thought there was in intruder, she would have kept very quiet, so it's possible that OP could have thought that too - that she'd have kept quiet. Sounding more and more plausible to me now that she locked herself in there out of fear, and he demanded she come out. She didn't 'obey' him, and he-who-must-be-obeyed-and-respected lost the plot and got his gun to bully her into coming out. When he says if she'd have 'come out', he wouldn't have shot - that's probably the truth - as he'd have been 'obeyed' and wouldn't have needed to shoot to get his point across.

 

[Trooper]

Well, my guess is that because he is a defence lawyer he has to go through all the motions and be seen to be doing the best he can for his client, but that's about all really. Roux himself probably doesn't even believe OP, but he has a job to do.

Roux is an experienced attorney. they both are, Nel and Roux. .the equivalent of a Silk in British law. that's the top shelf ..

Roux would have had Oscar in his chambers practicing practicing in mock x -examination all day, every day.. no stone would have been left unturned.. teams of people on it..coached , taught...

Roux has known ever since he took this case on that Oscar would be on the stand, it has never been a matter of choice.. Oscars defence is almost entirely subjective. only he knows his 'terror' and 'fear'.. only Oscar can convey this with enough substantiation..

nothing more he can do. regroup, re-establish.. and he is capable of that.. but.... .

 

[Emz73]

Thank you.

Is it 24/7 Oscar?
Trying to get it now. Doesn't seem to have audio now, but I will use a different browser.

Is that station out of Joburg?

It has just got plimpy music last time I checked, but not sure what time it is in SA. Inbetween the many breaks they usually discuss the case and during lunch. They get lawyers on to give their verdict of the days proceedings.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I'd like to hear from the officer that introduced himself to OP at the crime scene as a friend of OP's family and that he would look after him.... this according to OP yesterday.

Yes, that was weird wasn't it!

 

[HauntsForHope]

SABC News Trial Coverage
sabcdigitalnews

https://www.youtube.com/user/sabcdigitalnews

 

[strydohj]

Haha. Without a doubt. I've even tried - not good :smile:

So how do you roll? Bow-tha. Can't think of an English sound for the o...

 

[aa9511]

Totally agree, and am quite mystified by the posts on here this morning which have been saying it's all irrelevant. It's massively relevant.

ITA.

I have learned a lot about Oscar's controlling ways in their relationship. About how he it was so very important for him what kind of image he portrayed to the outside world - and this even extended to just being around his friends. She had to be the perfect Reeva, at least in front of any other people.

The only time they could really be themselves was just the two of them in private. IMO.

That is just a disaster waiting to happen.

In all honesty, there are many males who are like that. Maybe females too, but I have noticed this in a lot of males - want to present one kind of image to colleagues or friends. And that image is very important to them.

However, IMO, in this case it was a unique mix of this type of personality plus being trigger-happy, fascination with guns. We saw from previous incidents that it was no big deal for Oscar to pick up a gun and wave it around and even shoot it just for the fun of it. Does it surpise anyone that, in a heated argument, he woudln't think twice about picking up the gun that was easily accessible in his bedroom?

Perhaps he originally picked up the gun just for threatening purposes....hey, if you don't shut up I swear I'm going to fire this gun into the roof right now. Or something like that.

The point is that it was a dangerous combination of different things. Each one alone does not make a murderer, but on that night, it was a combination of different factors which made for a deadly combination.

JMO.

 

[04009margaret]

Probably the poster thinks uncle Arnold is his Dad? Henke has not been in Trial Court to the best of my knowledge.

Didn't think so, I'm also wondering if it's a reference to Reeva's dad & the word son is a mistake.

 

[strydohj]

Is a 0.38 caliber for a rifle or a pistol?

revolver

 

[Trooper]

So how do you roll? Bow-tha. Can't think of an English sound for the o...

buert haa

you have to get that sharp td sound.. sort of like ( purse your little lips a bit ) buert <--- sharp td sound. then haa.

 

[rachael123]

2:11:34 day 19 Part one.He says he could have tripped over the fan as he ran out on the balcony.Says He could have pushed the fans.

^^^^This^^^^

OP insists, to support his innocence, that all of the above happened and the DT is going to show that it happened. OP himself said that with the fan where it is he could not have made his way on to the balcony. For all intensive purposes this case is over. But let's carry on debating who moved all that stuff and turned on all of those lights and why they did all of that before the forensic photographer began taking photos of the crime scene...

 

[Linda7NJ]

Sooner or later he was going to shoot and kill someone.

He reminds me so much of Phil Spector ...another insecure, controlling and pathetic man.

IMO


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[aa9511]

B***ch Don't Kill My Vibe

I'm sorry, I know we are not supposed to inject humor, but it's just that seeing this one single line of the post....just thinking how these cases bring out all kind of weird tangential stuff.

 

[Trooper]

Yes, that was weird wasn't it!

Originally Posted by Val1 View Post
I'd like to hear from the officer that introduced himself to OP at the crime scene as a friend of OP's family and that he would look after him.... this according to OP yesterday.


I reckon that's going to be Colonel Motha.. ( purse your little lips a bit.--> MuerT <-- sharp td.. haa) .. he was flitting around taking odd pics and photos...

the thing is. Oscar isn't too happy with how the Colonel 'looked after him'..

 

[shane13]

I'd like to hear from the officer that introduced himself to OP at the crime scene as a friend of OP's family and that he would look after him.... this according to OP yesterday.

Val, would you recall which session, or approx time that was? Somehow missed that.

Very important IMO.

As you knoiw I continue to highlight how cops on scene may have given evidence to OP's siblings or atty to illegally take from the crime scene. Today we learned that cops gave the .38 ammo to OP sib or atty, but a few hours later asked for it back.

Fascinating that Cops or Nel did not insist, for 16 days, on gettting back the 5th phone!

 

[04009margaret]

Which is "Oscar radio"?

http://ewn.co.za/Features/oscarpistorius/live-blog

It's on every day court is in session. Starts 30 mins before the start of the court day & then after court they discuss the day's events, have some interviews with experts, for approx 90 mins

 

[aa9511]

OMG! I didn't have my finger on the trigger! Said TWICE!

:thud:

:facepalm: