Trial Discussion Thread #27 - 14.04.16, Day 24

[Gbtaketwo]

I am a bit late today so thanks again for the commentary
Listening to this witness today I can't help but think that the defence must have struggled to get the most qualified experts in any given field to testify on OP's behalf.
The pathologist ended up agreeing with the state . This one is seeming as someone put it yesterday " jack of all trades ,master of none "
Considering the expense OP has gone to for these witness's you really would expect some better and more compelling testimony than we are hearing so far.
I would love to know if any other more eminently more qualified people were approached and turned down this case .
Also I am wondering if we will actually here from the defence pathologist that actually attended the autopsy ? Has anything been said about that ?

 

[zwiebel]

Hmm...that was a bit painful. I thought he did OK in explaining some of the bullet trajectory information with regard to the magazine rack.
That doesn't say a great deal though, as ballistics was meant to be his least qualified field.

I'm not too sure where the DT got him from. I hope they didn't pay too much.

Re that rack - it looks (just from photos obviously) very like some of style of furniture here in Germany. The curved edges can be quite sharp, I know. Enough to bruise/scrape my shins, anyhow.

Having said that, the wounds on Reeva's back looked huge and awful to me.

 

[kaos]

I remember something like that too. Seems to be so many things that would be shown later, I lost count.

I hope the judge pays attention to stuff like that too when both the DT and PT say they're going to show something and later don't.

 

[04009margaret]

He will go down in SA trial history as the man who said "Not in the world I live in" LOL

 

[shane13]

His evasivenss, sorry I cannot resist...Rodger the Dodger.

 

[Cher352]

Was so busy reading I didn't hear what time they said they were coming back....Anyone?

Thanks!

 

[zwiebel]

Whoopwhoop is just saying that it was 'blatantly, patently' obvious bat and bullet sounds were completely different.

 

[sleuth-d-]

Didn't Mangena say it was bullet B that hit her hip ?

i have no idea how anyone can say which bullet hole led to the hip wound. how do they know where she was standing?

 

[LaLaw2000]

Reeva died a horrific death at the hands of OP. It is a shame to see a so-called expert place photographs of her wounds on some guys back and talk about them.

This guy falls far short of being an expert, IMO, and is not even professional. A professional documents everything; even the tiniest detail. There would be an end report by a professional. It is an insult to the court that the defense puts this guy on the stand and he gets away with projecting himself as an expert just because he thinks he is.

I see why 'Jack' is no longer in LE and is no longer the manager of a laboratory. I knew Nel would tear him apart.

I am saddened all over again for poor Reeva, her family, and her friends.

MOO

 

[zwiebel]

Was so busy reading I didn't hear what time they said they were coming back....Anyone?

Thanks!

11.30, I think.

 

[BritsKate]

I gotta say any Websleuther would make a better expert witness...and would likely have research, reconstructions, reports at the ready...all available by url link, of course. :biggrin:

Please pardon errors as posted via Tapatalk with a less than stellar user.

 

[Val1]

I cannot think what Roux was thinking of, putting such an obvious 'ivory tower' professor up against Nel.

Payback for OP messing with his strategy?

 

[shane13]

Whoopwhoop is just saying that it was 'blatantly, patently' obvious bat and bullet sounds were completely different.

And that's with so much attenuation, because we are listening to machines and not the actual sounds.

 

[zwiebel]

Ooh, I should find that link about white cotton - bet trial will restart when I'm gone....

 

[jay-jay]

So to recap, the only guy willing to say what the defence wanted to hear was this guy.

Mind you, I wouldn't want to discredit him too much as some of the things he said could well support the prosecution's case (i.e. the way Dixon explained Reeva was standing behind the door, even to the point she had her right arm going across her, i.e. holding the handle of the door trying to stop OP from opening the door!)

 

[beach]

Strange that Dixon agreed with the state, that the head shot was last. Didn't he say that?

Because at one point, earlier in the trial, Roux 'promised' that his experts were going to prove the head shot was first.

I remember something like that too. Seems to be so many things that would be shown later, I lost count.

Yes.

He even agreed with the state's sequence, IIRC. First shot in the hip, then the arm and bullet's 3 & 4 to the head. But it gets even weirder because he graphically described the bullet to Reeva's arm and said it would have disabled her from moving it (if I understood that part correctly). And yet the defense wants us to believe that she never screamed??? If she was hit in the hip and arm first, she was screaming without a doubt.


I swear I feel like I'm in the twilight zone most of the time.

 

[K.T]

I respect experts and I don’t want them on the stand having their credibility reduced.

That said, you have to be slightly cautious because some paid-experts have been used as experts-measure-to- measure, helping their clients cases by interpreting data in certain way.

Experts can also be earnest and hardworking but sometimes overstress their knowledge in areas not of their specialty.

Really unsure how Roger Dixon can do a light test with his own eyes, conduct a seemingly unprofessional sound test, or analyze sock fibres with a photograph – seems unprofessional over something so important.

 

[Val1]

i have no idea how anyone can say which bullet hole led to the hip wound. how do they know where she was standing?

They matched the height of RS and the entry point to the holes in the door and probably verified it with presence of the splinters. Apparently none of the other holes matched.

 

[james83]

Quick analogy
If you were having work done on your house who would you rather do it?.
Prestige home maintenance or
Roger the handyman?.

 

[patCee]

His evasivenss, sorry I cannot resist...Rodger the Dodger.

In the UK we call it a BOGOF....buy one get one free or (jack of all trades - master of none)