Trial Discussion Thread #34 - 14.05.06 Day 27

[zwiebel]

OMG.

Did y'all hear those wails???!!

 

[liesbeth]

Ms. Motshwane imitates Oscar's crying. It sounds like wailing. Loud weeping. Definitely not screams.

 

[Freya1977]

Oh my lord. We now have women trying to sound like oscar sounding like a woman.

 

[zwiebel]

The witness just demonstrated the pitch of the wails. They were pretty haunting.

 

[Viper]

Not what I said...

She has factors to weigh. Him being without his legs and feeling vulnerable is one of them.

Respectfully, nonsense. He was an amputee before he murdered. There are literally thousands of criminals that are amputees that are serving their sentences in prison right now. Just being an amputee is not a "get out of jail free card."

But he was as you say "vulnerable" or he felt that way and that is truly something unique, special if you will. Yup, he's going to get away with murder because he felt "vulnerable." I follow you there. LOL!

 

[04009margaret]

LOL how to prove OP screams like a woman........get 2 women to scream in court

 

[Cher352]

Like this witness! Boy can she scream! (or was that a cry?)

 

[liesbeth]

Her bedroom is on the opposite side of Oscar's house. But she looked through the window and saw the Mini Cooper.

 

[patCee]

So a woman demonstrates the pitch of the crying she heard. How can this prove OP sounded like a women? Ridiculous IMO.

 

[ColonelMustard]

Oh my lord. We now have women trying to sound like oscar sounding like a woman.

Victor Victoria.

 

[Trooper]

Personally, being based a lot on English Common Law as it is, I don't see it is straight forward. More straight forward are Roman law countries where most things are written into law and there is little room for precedents. Those do, as you say, "follow in a linear fashion", but where is the linear fashion here where a lot of reasoning and interpretation is tasked to the judge as it would be to a jury ?

I cant do anything about you not seeing it as straightforward.. interesting that you bring up Roman law, a lot of South African law is Dutch - Romano ,and English... a hybrid, worked out and laid down over 3 centuries.. that's where the linear stuff comes in. which you don't see, but I cant do anything about that, really.

 

[liesbeth]

Like this witness! Boy can she scream! (or was that a cry?)

Definitely not screaming. Nope. Wailing.

 

[Suthrnqt]

as I said,, its pointless discussing this with you.

Amen Trooper.

 

[Freya1977]

LOL how to prove OP screams like a woman........get 2 women to scream in court

Well Roux had to make sure they sounded like women!

It's crazy.

 

[MeeBee]

Respectfully, nonsense. He was an amputee before he murdered. There are literally thousands of criminals that are amputees that are serving their sentences in prison right now. Just being an amputee is not a "get out of jail free card."

But he was as you say "vulnerable" or he felt that way and that is truly something unique, special if you will. Yup, he's going to get away with murder because he felt "vulnerable." I follow you there. LOL!

My words are getting twisted, remembering why I needed a break. All I'm saying is the judge may weigh that as a factor when making her decision. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying I buy it, I'm not saying I don't. We were talking about the law.

 

[zwiebel]

We are seeing a tiny pic of the houses and they are pointing out the windows, which I can't see as there is a pointer over it.

...And I've just realized that's my own mouse pointer obscuring my view.


Witness went back to bed and then heard cars passing.

 

[ColonelMustard]

This witness TOO immediately asked her husband what she / they had heard.

 

[G.bng]

Generations of overt and oppressive racism change a person. The lens through which they view the world, reasonably but unfortunately, involves the "presumption of racism" toward them in every word and deed from others No doubt, racism is still as active as it is in the US, just more subtle and under the radar - except for the person the receiving end, that is!

The witness MN is black so I don't understand the "racism" he demonstrated, rather he felt the impoliteness and informality of a policeman saying "Hey brother, what happened here?" I would not accept that whether in the 3 countries I have experience with the police in, i.e. the UK, Spain or India where they are even overly polite.

 

[Trooper]

I don't think these ladies who have screamed in court for Judge Masipa are throwing themselves into it in a whole hearted fashion. it must be inhibiting to do it in court..

 

[soozieqtips]

IIRC there is little to no evidence to back that testimony up. For example, would you think it reasonable to not remember who you called after someone shot at you while you were driving at night if that is one of the incidents you are referring to.

Yes. There's no evidence to back up his testimony, because OP never bothered to report all these occasions when he was a 'victim' of crime, and yet he's using these incidents to back up his story that he was paranoid about intruders.