Trial Discussion Thread #34 - 14.05.06 Day 27

[patCee]

I think Mrs Stipp said the help, help, help was before the second bangs, but Dr Stipp said the helpx3 was after the second bangs.

Checked my notes and you are right. Dr Stipp heard 3 loud bangs, screaming female, phone calls, 3 loud bangs, man calling help x 3, then saw man moving across bathroom.

 

[Cher352]

I can't see how Mrs N could've heard OP shouting 'help, help, help' from his balcony and yet not hear the second set of bangs .. that doesn't make any sense to me (virtually all witnesses, including the accused himself, have said there were bangs after the 'help, help, help' whether they be cricket bat or gun shots)

Could be the way sound travels. Bedrooms and their balconies of both houses face the back of the houses and I thought the bathroom of OP's faced the front of the house, doesn't it? If so then since Mrs N never left her bedroom I could understand her not hearing them.

Hate to say it but really had trouble with all the precise details Mrs Stipp's gave during her testimony when her house was so very far away.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Well, the circumstances were slightly different.

How so??

 

[minor4th]

.. and yet OP himself said the 'help, help, help' was between the two sets of bangs (i.e. when he was running around after he shot Reeva, but before going to bang the door in with the cricket bat) .. so Mrs N's testimony doesn't even fit with what he testified, I seriously can't believe she didn't hear the second lot of bangs and yet could hear a man crying loudly.

I can - the open balcony was directly opposite their own balcony. The bathroom was on the other side

 

[MeeBee]

How so??

None of the others thought a person had entered their home.

 

[zwiebel]

Someone's posting in German on wildabout - unless Afrikaans is identical, which I don't believe it is. It's not me, I thought I'd point out. The German's too good.

 

[Apollo]

Checked my notes and you are right. Dr Stipp heard 3 loud bangs, screaming female, phone calls, 3 loud bangs, man calling help x 3, then saw man moving across bathroom.

IIRC, that was the testimony of Mrs. Stipps also, was it not? (except for the part about someone moving in the bathroom)

 

[Trooper]

listening to all these neighbors, the Stipps, the Standars, the N's.. not any of them have ever spoken to Oscar again.. not unusual in the Stipp case, he didn't know him before the murder..

but the Standars, and Mr N did, in their own way. never spoke to him again. I get the distinct impression they are embarrassed by Oscar and what he did in their little estate , that they paid big bucks to avoid all street violence, etc. and then this yob goes and kills a woman right on their doorstep.. they have police, press , rubberneckers, all the stuff they thought they got away from..

 

[AlexUK]

I understand the danger and not driving at night. What I don't understand, is .....my husband wouldn't allow me... .
Thankfully, those words have never left my mouth and never will. JMO

Absolutely! There us a vast difference between choosing not to do something and 'not being allowed' to do something.

*hackles risen*

 

[MeeBee]

IIRC, that was the testimony of Mrs. Stipps also, was it not?

I don't think so...

I could be wrong.

 

[Giles]

Could be the way sound travels. Bedrooms and their balconies of both houses face the back of the houses and I thought the bathroom of OP's faced the front of the house, doesn't it? If so then since Mrs N never left her bedroom I could understand her not hearing them.

Hate to say it but really had trouble with all the precise details Mrs Stipp's gave during her testimony when her house was so very far away.

It's the other way around. Balcony at the front and bathroom at the rear.

The Stipp's house is at the rear, only 60 metres away and directly facing the open bathroom window.

 

[lithgow1]

Well, the circumstances were slightly different.

So on the assumption that Pistorius' version is true, you believe he took all appropriate measures to be sure where RS was and that she was safe, as these people essentially did? During his particular circumstances? I don't and the end result bears me out IMO. But then I think his story is a crock anyway.

 

[Apollo]

I don't think so...

I could be wrong.

I'll listen to it again later today to see one way or the other.

 

[Suthrnqt]

None of the others thought a person had entered their home.

Mr. N, who just testified, stated he checked his home AND made sure his daughter's bedroom door was still locked. He and his wife weren't sure what the noises were or where the noises came from.

 

[MeeBee]

So on the assumption that Pistorius' version is true, you believe he took all appropriate measures to be sure where RS was and that she was safe, as these people essentially did? During his particular circumstances? I don't and the end result bears me out IMO. But then I think his story is a crock anyway.

I didn't say that. Obviously, he didn't.

 

[zwiebel]

It is interesting that apparently ultra- cautious, even paranoid OP left his balcony doors open at night, yet on the same estate the N's were locking their interior doors at night, and just peeping through curtains from unlit rooms at suspicious noise.

It shows very different perceptions of safety, and different reactions to perceived threats too.

 

[jay-jay]

The order of events and the credibility is what Masipa will be tasked to unravel. And I don't see it is going to be at all easy so she may never manage to tally them all up and either discard it all or use some other logic to work it out. jmo

.. she might not even need to though, because she may well have other evidence which proves to her what happened that night.

 

[Trooper]

It is interesting that apparently ultra- cautious, even paranoid OP left his balcony doors open at night, yet on the same estate the N's were locking their interior doors at night, and just peeping through curtains from unlit rooms at suspicious noise.

It shows very different perceptions of safety, and different reactions to perceived threats too.

yet the Stipps slept peacefully with everything open. .doors, window, the lot. and with 3 small children in the house too.

 

[MeeBee]

Mr. N, who just testified, stated he checked his home AND made sure his daughter's bedroom door was still locked. He and his wife weren't sure what the noises were or where the noises came from.

But he wasn't sure what was happening or if there was even anyone in his house and his wife had woken him. OP heard noises in his bathroom, only attributable to human manipulation and went into fight or flight.

 

[Giles]

Court's in session.