Trial Discussion Thread #37 - 14.05.12 Day 30

[zwiebel]

V: Presented as well presented and well groomed .....tremor....expression 'flat', often a feature with people suffering from depression......he had no intellectual incapacity.

 

[lithgow1]

This expert is not doing my blood pressure any good!

Are you feeling anxious?

 

[emirates1957]

Ha.. my stepfather used to chase us 6 kids with a fully operative chainsaw.. obviously, he never caught us, but if he had, we'd be 6 ft under by now. We had a lot of anxiety!!.

( in all fairness, as Roux would say, he was in every other way an excellent and generous stepfather, he just had moments.. you know how it is. ) .

And you know what Trooper, we all have a very black, silly sense of humour and can laugh every day. Consequently reading your posts are a breath of fresh
air. Simply brilliant.

 

[zwiebel]

V: ....asked to remove his prosthesis. He was clearly very embarrassed. Balance without is pros is clearly very poor. He was clearly very vulnerable.

 

[BritsKate]

Depressed since the shooting but not before.

 

[AlexUK]

Are you feeling anxious?

Yes, and I can be lethal with an egg whisk!

 

[jay-jay]

Of course he keeps sweating and retches (with a pallor) ... he's looking at 25 years in jail!


By the way, Mrs V, wearing a sharp suit and always being turned out smartly means Jack all!

 

[zwiebel]

dr V says OP 'expressed his guilt' at causing Reeva's death several times.

Also that he was anxious/afraid of flying and travelling.

'He was depressed after the shooting but I find no evidence he was depressed before'

 

[jimmy73]

Depression and regret ≠ innocence

 

[lithgow1]

So if I am hearing this right his mother's behaviour made him anxious and then when she died that made him more anxious. He was damned if she did and damned if she didn't.

 

[04009margaret]

This is worth a read in the break. Anxiety disorders are often associated with other psychological disorders.

Anxiety disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The major link is depression. I suffer from both, my anxiety triggers panic attacks. I DON'T try to control my environment, I'm not arrogant & I don't have an ego. I don't go gallivanting around, if anything I withdraw from the company of others. If I was talented enough to compete in a competitive sporting environment, I would never be able to compete because the effect of the competitive environment would make my anxiety uncontrollable. I call BS to this testimony from first hand experience. He may have anxiety now because of the experience he has experienced because of his actions but not prior to that.

 

[G.bng]

Interesting case. He found images of his wife having an affair. He was convicted and sentenced to 12 years.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/mercy-for-jealous-wife-killer-1.294044

Would have been for murder, or probably pre-med murder, considering his 2hr drive and 13 stab wounds, so he got of very lightly as according to the report minimum sentence was reduced as the judge found he had showed remorse and there were compelling circumstances to reduce sentence which are not explained.

But IMO it does show that considering he murdered his ex with kids present in the house and in a very up close and personal way as it has to be when you stab someone, not surprised he claimed amnesia true or faked, otherwise he would surely have got 25+ for such a horrific crime... I find the kids bit so incredibly distressful.

 

[kaos]

Depressed, neglected, anxious, disabled, rich, successful, lots of friends. OP never stood a chance in life.

 

[jay-jay]

Oh, now his mother was a drunk :facepalm:

 

[Really?]

Praps we have a 'Eurovision' situation? :blushing:

LoL......saw that

 

[Val1]

Ok, Nel is going to love reviewing this part....

 

[Suthrnqt]

This is worth a read in the break. Anxiety disorders are often associated with other psychological disorders.

Anxiety disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmmmm. At this link, it discusses how alcohol, benzos and caffeine are often the main cause of high levels of anxiety.
OP likes his alcohol.....check
OP lived on caffeine.....check
Don't know anything about benzo use.

 

[zwiebel]

V is throwing mother right under the bus now. 'Drank excessively, anxious, insecure' etc etc....all suggesting this was passed onto the kids....

Poor woman. She's not here to defend herself....

 

[sleuth-d-]

she is bang on about his fear about losing the athletic ability and subsequent loss of income/sponsorship ... imo

 

[Trooper]

Roux and Vorster..

mr P had bilateral surgery and subsequently fitted with prosthesis.. he contracted something and has had constant headaches, he fractured his nose and forehead in a boating accident..

Mr p has many features of anxiety, it has a genetic pre disposition. his family members have it do. he is anxious to perform excellently and appear normal he is unwilling to appear without his prosthesis, only removes them for bed.. he has a feeling of inadequacy.. he conceals them as much as possible.

by concealing his disability this makes him less able to access his vulberability. his sexual activities were affected by this disability. he would feel anxious about his appearances as a professional athlete.

ROUX. DID THE increasing stress accelerate the anxiety>

vOS.. yes.. he would have to prepare longer and longer for each event.

Mr p relates that while he was training he was lonely. he followed SA news closely and ws worried about his sister.. he has two relationships. as one is increasingly anxious, one feels ore and more unsafe.. increased levels, and his perception of danger. when placed in a situation where one IS in danger. his anxiety would increase.

while in SA he increasingly became insecure, and frightened, he moved into a gated community. he described himself as hyper vigilan. ( sure sure , Oscar) .. Hypervigilance is being continually looking and increasing worred about being attacked and burgled. he always tried to invite friends to come over. he didn't want to be alone. he didn't share his private feelings with those friends, over all. he is a lonely and private person. he doesn't drink alchohol. he doesn't take drugs,

in this occasion he said, he was scared, he was distressed , crying and retching, he said he had no intention of shooting Miss Steen kamp, in my opinion his emotions were genuine. particularly the retching...

mr P showed a pallor while retching, he sweated, that is why I believe his distress is genuine.

mr P presented as well groomed and well spoken and polite man. he had a tremor.. he had no formal thought disorder, he gave a very detailed account of the event, his affect was flat. very few expression s on his face. this I associate with depression.

Mr p is on treatment for depression. he has no cognitive difficulties, no intellectual incapacity. depression can have an effect on memory and concentration, I didn't find that effect during the consultations..

mr p was asked to remove his prostheses he was embararassed but did it, he had poor mobility with out them. I think. they go hand in hand, his physical disability makes him more anxious. and he wants to conceal both the disability and the anxiety.

he was increasingly sweating and with pallor during the consultations.

his generalized anxiety> ?

he has a specified and a general anxiety disorder. a pervasive one a depressive disorder, secondary to the incident. he has become depressed since the shooting.

mr p has a long history of generalized anxiety disorder . it has increased, exponentially. going back to his operation as a baby.. his distress at his parents divorce ,.. his mothers anxiety. she was afraid of intruders. frequently called people to investigate imaginary sounds. her death increased his emotional distress and anxiety.

mr ps training regime helped in this. but the stress of it also diminished his capacities. he has a anxiety about crime in South Africa. not the general anxiety of the population of South Africa.. she is going very very fast, very fast. concerning the incident with Mr Batchelor. this compounded his anxiety.. exposed to a threat, he is more inclined to retaliate with e fight response, rather than flight..

( she doesn't mention the other two. . Freeze and Fawn. )