Trial Discussion Thread #46 - 14.07.7, Day 37

[PrimeSuspect]

Nel points out other place that refers to cognitive and visual impairment - WD agreed it's not relevant here.

Nel: there's no indication of where the violence happened. Am I right? Derman: That is correct.

Nel - don't you think you should have indicated shortcomings of these documents to court during your evidence?

WD: These are limitations in the study that was done. Every study has limitations.

Nel: We're in a court of law and we're dealing with relevance. Do you understand that? Derman: I do.

 

[Freya1977]

"amputation problem" ??

Ambulation...it means walking

ETA more accurately moving about in general.

 

[JudgeJudi]

@barrybateman · 15s

#OscarTrial Derman: this is not such a major finding that it is a flawed report. I’d not bring a flawed report to court. BB

 

[zwiebel]

N: Don't you think you should have indicated to the court the limitations in these documents?

D: If I was going to explain all the limitations in studies..it's just the nature of scientific study...

(Lol, Dermans just quoted a US DoJ report that I've read!) I still don't think Nel should be going along this track.

Did anyone hear that huge sneeze?

 

[minor4th]

I thought it was in reference to the testimony Prof Derman gave about the disabled people being statistically more likely to be the victim of a crime and think Nel was trying to infer that Prof Derman used cited a paper that used mentally disabled rather than physically disabled people.

I'm probably wrong though as medical stuff goes right over my head.

I think that is the impression Nel is trying to give, but I believe he is parsing a small portion of one of the papers. The DR just read part of the paper that dealt with persons with ambulatory difficulties.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Gesundheit!

 

[minor4th]

Ambulation...it means walking

Ohhhhh .. I totally misheard him!

 

[Greater Than]

I mean, with or without data, it's intuitive that disabled persons are, as a group, more vulnerable as potential crime victims than non-disabled persons.

The same could be said about women.

It's irrelevant.

 

[ColonelMustard]

One can lie and mislead by commission and omission.

IMHO, Derman relies mainly on omission.

He figured no one would be "smart enough" to call him out on anything.

Go Nel.

 

[zwiebel]

N: Aren't you using the study merely to create an atmosphere and it's not relevant at all? (disability hate crime study)

D: Milady, that is correct. However.....

Then goes onto discussing attacks on ppl with disability and brings up the UK's recent Act again.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Nel: Aren't you using the study to create an atmosphere. Mentions hate crime. There is no hate crime in this matter.

 

[Freya1977]

Ohhhhh .. I totally misheard him!

Haha yes he has both lol.

 

[minor4th]

The same could be said about women.

It's irrelevant.

Well, OP's is not a woman, so that's irrelevant. He is disabled though ..so there's some relevance.

 

[Freya1977]

So I just saw that leaked video, going to watch the full episode of the show after. Can't believe that was leaked!

Sent from my GT-N5110 using Tapatalk

 

[JudgeJudi]

Nel's enjoying this. Maybe he'll bring up the polar bear protecting its babies. Why not, Derman's mentioned every group of people who have absolutely no relevance to this trial.

 

[zwiebel]

N: Vulnerability should be viewed in the context of the situation, am I right?

D agrees.

N: In this instance, we have someone with means to protect themselves - alarms, secure estate, large support system - including yourself. That reduces his vulnerabilty.

D: I disagree strongly.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Today's newspaper front pages are dominated with stories focusing on the controversial video aired by an Australian news network, showing Oscar Pistorius moving on his stumps.


http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Oscar_Pistorius/Live/LIVE-UPDATES-Pistorius-trial-Day-38-20140707

 

[JudgeJudi]

I'd suggest Reeva was the most vulnerable on the night.

 

[supernovaNic]

Good day or good night everyone!! I can't take another minute. I just know I'm going to miss seeing a great court moment live... but.......... oh well.

 

[zwiebel]

Nel puts it to D that OP would be less vulnerable with a gun in his hand.

D says he doesn't know, 'just can't think'.

Teatime. I have biscuits.