Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

[jay-jay]

Apologies .. I've just deleted my posts as I think I may have misunderstood .. that'll teach me to read the comments at the side of the YouTube feed!

 

[Suthrnqt]

I just got the matches between my eyelids. :bateyes:

Who's gonna help me get them out?
Ouch. Ouch. Ouch.
I told you guys I needed to go to sleep. Now I'm just. :silly:

fftobed:

 

[BritsKate]

Long wait now.

What was that about Fresco? Is the judge deciding if she will find him guilty of some crime, and possibly sentence him when OP is?

My understanding is the judge has the final say as to whether Fresco receives 'immunity' from possible prosecution for firearms offences in exchange for truthful testimony. She can't unilaterally determine his innocence or guilt on any such charges without a trial though.

Nel argues, and rightly so, that Fresco should have the opportunity to address the court himself before she makes a determination.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Para 1 - yup, that's what I understood, too.

Para 2 - Roux has really dropped OP in it by putting this forward (unless OP suggested it), once it the 'not guilty' plea had been put forward and once OP had stood in that stand, and lied about it under oath, then they should've stuck with it. Absolutely, he is a self admitted liar and none of the rest of what he has said on the stand can be taken as the truth (not that many of us ever thought it was, but the court cannot accept it as the truth now).

Courts will commonly give a lesser sentence to an accused who admits guilt. Court time and expense is worth quite a lot of brownie points. Masipa should take a very dim view that he pleaded not guilty, lied, and at the 11th hour admitted guilt.

 

[patCee]

Did I miss the reason Fresco might be in trouble with the court. Surely anything he said is just his word against OP's, or is there more?

 

[kaos]

thursday, I think... [emoji4]

Thanks Giles I was looking at my August calendar :blushing:

 

[atthelake]

thursday, I think... [emoji4]

lol, we call it really late Wednesday here :giggle:

Will have to be sure to remind Zwiebel so she doesn't depend on her hubby

Oscar radio IS doing current review right now at http://whoopwhoop.tv/pistoriusradio.htm

 

[atthelake]

I just got the matches between my eyelids. :bateyes:

Who's gonna help me get them out?
Ouch. Ouch. Ouch.
I told you guys I needed to go to sleep. Now I'm just. :silly:

fftobed:

illowfight2:

 

[zwiebel]

lol, we call it really late Wednesday here :giggle:

Will have to be sure to remind Zwiebel so she doesn't depend on her hubby

Oscar radio IS doing current review right now at http://whoopwhoop.tv/pistoriusradio.htm

If Barry Bateman would only send out a reminder tweet the day before, I'd see that!

 

[zwiebel]

Well. Don't know about anyone else, but I can't read Judge Masipa. I don't know what she will decide.

At times she seemed very concerned about OP and his breakdowns. But then I recall her pulling him up once, saying he must say if he felt too tired to answer.

And she has asked questions of both Roux and Nel. Maybe reprimanded Nel a few more times than Roux. But shown a few tiny signs of impatience with Roux.

 

[zwiebel]

Whoop talking about 'the special help' OP will have to have in jail, because he's disabled. That he just will not be able to manage otherwise.

http://whoopwhoop.tv/pistoriusradio.htm

 

[rachael123]

Well I missed everything.Been sick with a bad cold for a week.Will have to watch reruns of closing arguments.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Kai Feldhaus ✔ @KaiFeldhaus

Tolles Plädoyer von Roux. Umfangreich, detailliert, emotional, führt es zum Höhepunkt: der Forderung eines Freispruchs für #OscarPistorius.

Gret plea from Roux. Extensive, detailed, emotional, it leads to the high point: to request an acquittal for #OscarPistorius

 

[pandax81]

Does anyone have the defence heads of arguments please?

I have the state's heads and the defence's response (which is not their heads)

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Well I missed everything.Been sick with a bad cold for a week.Will have to watch reruns of closing arguments.

Get well soon!

 

[Giles]

Does anyone have the defence heads of arguments please?

I have the state's heads and the defence's response (which is not their heads)

I have seen them yet, I have been looking for them too.

 

[atthelake]

Does anyone have the defence heads of arguments please?

I have the state's heads and the defence's response (which is not their heads)

:lookingitup: Here you go
http://www.scribd.com/doc/236207308/Heads-of-Argument-Final-Version-31-July-2014

 

[atthelake]

Does anyone have the defence heads of arguments please?

I have the state's heads and the defence's response (which is not their heads)

The defense's response? Never seen that one, can you share?

 

[Susza]

Kai Feldhaus ✔ @KaiFeldhaus

Tolles Plädoyer von Roux. Umfangreich, detailliert, emotional, führt es zum Höhepunkt: der Forderung eines Freispruchs für #OscarPistorius.

Gret plea from Roux. Extensive, detailed, emotional, it leads to the high point: to request an acquittal for #OscarPistorius

Hmm, why do you quote a BILD (5-pence-newspaper) jounalist ?

 

[pandax81]

The defense's response? Never seen that one, can you share?

Let's do swapsies! (thanks for the heads)

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03000/Supplementary_Head_3000376a.pdf