Trial Discussion Thread #51 - 14.11.9, Day 41 ~announcement of the verdict~

[minor4th]

Judge says OP's explanations were contradictory

 

[zwiebel]

J: Testimony (self defense) is contradictory in my view.

 

[Jim Kirk]

The first defence has essentially been shot down then.

 

[soozieqtips]

Sky's Alex Crawford tweets that judge saying OP took a conscious decision is a blow for the defence.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Masipa: he took a conscious decision, he knew where he kept firearm, where bathroom was, he noticed window open...

 

[atthelake]

lol she is walking through all the various ways he described the shooting...later quotes show he was working around the law hehehe

 

[zwiebel]

Judge now reading quotes of OP, where he said not intentional, did not mean to shoot etc, and where he contradicted himself.

'He cannot rely on defense of putative self-defense'.

 

[minor4th]

If he never intended to shoot anyone, he cannot rely on putative self defense

 

[K.T]

Well, she took the view that the accused had concept of right and wrong, by the two points in the psych report and the pyschologist report. It was not an involuntary act.

She disregarded the Derman nonsense that the "startle' response made his act "reflexive".

"He took a conscious decision"

 

[Really?]

woot.........:jail:

 

[soozieqtips]

OP first said he believed the noise was an intruder, but then changed when State suggested he was still liable for murder.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Masipa: it would be absurd to say accused was going to hit someone over the head with gun - for that could have used cricket bat

 

[minor4th]

Accepts that OP is a "fight" rather than "flight" type person and person with disability will feel vulnerable when faced with danger. But the accused is not unique - women, children, elderly and all those with limited mobility would fall in same category

 

[HauntsForHope]

Livestream: Judge is reading her report.

http://www.wildabouttrial.com/one_off/pistorius-how-the-verdict-will-be-delivered/

 

[atthelake]

lol, children women and elderly are in the same situation...

 

[PrimeSuspect]

women, children, the elderly come under the same category. (as OP)

 

[minor4th]

Intention to shoot does not necessarily include intention to kill.

 

[lisasalinger]

HE DOESN'T HAVE AN ANXIETY DISORDER!!! grrrrrrr

 

[jslk]

Basically, lots of people feel anxious/vulnerable, not all arm themselves with a firearm. (Paraphrasing)


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[zwiebel]

J: ...armed himself with loaded firearm. Wld be absurd to assume he was going to hit intruder over head. Prof Derman explained fight rather than flight respinse. Crt accepts that...person with disability wld certainly feel vulnerable but accused not unique in that respect.

She just said she does not think it's reasonable they (all vulnerable) should all arm themselves and shoot