Trial Discussion Thread #58 - 14.17.10, Day 47 ~ sentencing~

[Cherwell]

I think the issue has got a bit confused .. I had understood this carving to still be in existence, hanging above Henke's (?) door, from what I had previously read on here. If it no longer exists then obviously it's of no importance, but I thought it did still exist?

Not if the article is accurate. I posted a link to it earlier. It's about a Carel Pistorius who was around in the 19th century.

 

[soozieqtips]

I feel the need to remind posters that Aimee Pistorius didn't kill anybody.

Oscar did that all by himself.

Why do you feel the need to remind posters that Aimee Pistorius didn't kill anybody? We know she didn't.

 

[IfIMay]

I feel the need to remind posters that Aimee Pistorius didn't kill anybody.

Oscar did that all by himself.

maybe, but she took evidence from the scene. So she's not innocent, either.

 

[ColonelMustard]

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...the fruits of his busy thumbs...

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HA!!!!

 

[ColonelMustard]

Betcha all things OP are going to be huge in US Halloween costumes this year.

 

[jay-jay]

Your assumption that all the posts that appear in my history are in fact all my posts was a bad one. The original discussion was in a different section of the site and I don't know where all the early threads are any more

~snipped~

No, my 'assumption' was not a 'bad' one .. I've posted on numerous forums in the past, and those have always shown every single post a poster has made in their posting history .. I had no reason to think this forum was any different.

 

[4MrsB]

Yes, that was unbelievable!

Also very striking, the "journalist" asks them both what has been worst thing about this for you both.
Each agrees that it is the "negativity, untruths, twisted truths and ridicule". (Obviously they won't specify which reports are false)

If that was my brother who had killed someone and was facing jail, I doubt I would be saying that "media ridicule" was the worst aspect!

And they ought to stop twisting things themselves, just be real and say : everyone in SA society seems to have a negative view of us now; we can't escape a sense of shame on TV, radio, social media; everyone has an opinion about us and we have totally lost our privacy via a media through which we previously derived fame; people still think our brother is a liar and a murderer; everywhere we go people are whispering etc etc. That would have been much more honest and would possibly allow for a nugget of sympathy.

I was so upset & angry listening to these two, I honestly had to stop the video before it ended.

I have usually regarded Carl & Aimee as just supportive siblings, thinking the best of their brother, giving him the benefit of the doubt, hoping & praying there was truth to his story. I also think they have been blinded by the lifestyle they have lived in since their Mom's passing. Uncle Arnold's privileged & powerful world. So I have given the two of them a great deal of leeway. (Although the removed phone & purse was beyond that of "sibling support" and I'm shocked to this day that there have not been legal actions taken over that.)

However, listening to the two of them during this interview with Karyn M I was appalled. How could they be asked, "what's been the most difficult part of this whole situation?" . . ....and they answer "the negative media"???? Are they joking? That's their honest answer? That's what comes to mind 1st?

OMG....how about first thing out of your mouth something like....
"Of course the most traumatic part of all this has been the loss of Reeva. The reality that her life has been lost due to this tragic accident. That our brother has to live with the responsibility for that loss & the terrible never ending grief that will live within him forever. Regardless of it being an accident, the loss of Reeva can't be corrected and knowing the Steenkamp's and Oscar have to live with this pain and anguish the rest of their lives is a heartbreaking trauma we can never fix. That Reeva's life was cut so short is the hardest reality of all."

At least start with Reeva first. Not jump right into the media. Oh, how painful that the public/media thinks your brother is an a$$ & murderer for killing his girlfriend in his home, while neighbors testified to hearing arguing and more neighbors testified to Reeva screaming and lights on, etc etc. How dare the media pick on the "Golden Boy" of S.A. after the pedestal they've previously put him on. How dare they turn on him for killing a young, bright, beautiful woman. To be whining about the media & poor Oscar's "losses" is so self absorbed. This family just does not get it. Sickening. Can't listen to anything they have to say anymore.

 

[sleuth-d-]

BIB - I wonder, too. But I think in a family where love, respect, and empathy has been part of the background, the crime wouldn't have been committed in the first place. And if it had been committed, I would think maybe the perpetrator would feel very guilty and remorseful, and own up. OP's family, from what I've seen so far, appear to have no respect for anyone other than themselves, so it makes sense to me that they'd cover up for OP if they knew he'd killed Reeva deliberately. But in a decent family, where the children have been brought up knowing the value of life (all life, not just their own), then I don't think the rest of the family would cover up for the guilty party. I don't think their consciences would let them. But of course, people are sometimes known to act out of character when faced with a difficult situation.

interesting slight shift in the message:
post-verdict... uncle arnold - i always believed oscar's story.
pre-sentencing... carl/aimee - it has been a tough journey, we take each day as it comes [no mention of believing op story/implied innocence]


how carl can sit there like a member of some royal family having taken/wiped that phone is absolutely beyond my comprehension.
someone arrest him fgs.

 

[ApplesInMyBra]

Now President Zuma has had his say on the sentencing:

Oscar Pistorius’s disability not a factor in his sentencing, says Jacob Zuma

South Africa’s president, Jacob Zuma, has criticised Oscar Pistorius’s defence team for arguing the Paralympian should be spared prison because he is disabled and “has money”.

He also backed judge Thokozile Masipa, whose decision to clear the double amputee athlete of murder was widely attacked. “The fact that the judge says he’s acquitted of murder, but on culpable homicide convicted, teaches people I think something in law, that you don’t just say because the life was lost it’s a murder,” he said. “It could be murder, it could be an unintended kind of thing. I think people must have learned.

“The judge was under a bit of criticism, particularly because she’s a woman and women felt that she was not sympathetic to women, but she’s applying the law. So I’m just saying it was an interesting lesson for us.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...t-jacob-zuma-trial-disability-jail?CMP=twt_gu

He obviously didn't pay any attention to the defenses arguments - they claimed that he has NO money!

 

[soozieqtips]

interesting slight shift in the message:
post-verdict... uncle arnold - i always believed oscar's story.
pre-sentencing... carl/aimee - it has been a tough journey, we take each day as it comes [no mention of believing op story/implied innocence]


how carl can sit there like a member of some royal family having taken/wiped that phone is absolutely beyond my comprehension.
someone arrest him fgs.

BIB - Yes. Both of them sitting there all innocent, both knowing they each removed evidence from the crime scene, and no one brave enough to ask why. CP's phone wiping cannot have been anything but a deliberate act, and I imagine Aimee wanted to root through Reeva's bag in case there was anything incriminating in it. Do they really inhabit such a small world that they don't think people can put two and two together?

 

[4MrsB]

Tuesday morning can't come soon enough for me. I just can not handle anymore of the unjustice surrounding this case. I am so disheartened by either: (A) the bias of the Judge/assessors or (B) the $$/power that is steering the outcome of this case.

I am saddened by the lack of justice for REEVA and the Steenkamp's and how it's been handled within the S.A. judicial system.

I say it once again....they picked the wrong trial to televise for the whole world to see, if Oscar is not given a deserving harsh & lengthy sentence tomorrow. The world as seen & heard the evidence. It can not be swept under the rug, simply because Oscar was S.A.'s golden boy. :sweep:

 

[Interested Bystander]

Here is another clip from an interview. Watch the eyes when asked whether they believe Oscar's story. C and A profess one thing and look uncomfortable when trying to actually answer the question.

Am I reading too much into this? We used to have someone on the forum who was trained in facial expressions and their meanings. It would be interesting to hear what she has to say if she is still with us.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-him-and-will-continue-to-stand-together.html

 

[jay-jay]

I feel the need to remind posters that Aimee Pistorius didn't kill anybody.

Oscar did that all by himself.

She did tamper with evidence at the scene of the crime though, along with behaving appallingly in court (one of the main times being when she cried out whilst Pistorius was giving evidence, just at the right moment to prompt him to start crying .. if anyone should've cried out at that point, it should've been June, but she didn't, it makes me highly suspicious of why Aimee did it right at that very moment) and then the kerfuffle the other day telling Schultz and co that they couldn't sit on the end of that bench .. she had no right to start carrying on like that in court and Masipa should've ticked her off. Not to mention that disgusting video she made with Pistorius where she played the part of Reeva .. absolutely disgraceful, and really quite weird if you ask me.

 

[jay-jay]

Betcha all things OP are going to be huge in US Halloween costumes this year.

Where I live in Sussex, we have HUGE bonfire night processions (main one is in Lewes) where figures of hate/ridicule are paraded through the streets and burnt on the bonfire .. I wonder if he might feature in that this year (if he's not already been done, that is .. I'll have to look it up on their webpage).

 

[sleuth-d-]

I suspect that that smile will be wiped off his face when he receives a prison sentence tomorrow.

whether he gets what he wants [no jail time imo] or he gets a prison sentence, his reaction will be interesting... i believe these emotions cannot be hidden, masked, or acted. these will be genuine.

with that in mind, i will be keen to see how they reflect those he has been showing earlier in the trial.

 

[soozieqtips]

Where I live in Sussex, we have HUGE bonfire night processions (main one is in Lewes) where figures of hate/ridicule are paraded through the streets and burnt on the bonfire .. I wonder if he might feature in that this year (if he's not already been done, that is .. I'll have to look it up on their webpage).

I'm not far from Lewes. Maybe I'll make an OP doll and take it there on the train!

 

[AW2B]

I'm not sure if this has been posted already..just in case..

EXCLUSIVE: Reeva's sister pleads with judge to jail Pistorius for twenty years and asks 'why should disabled people get softer sentences?'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-asks-disabled-people-softer-sentences.html

 

[Mr Fossil]

Pistorius' siblings recall tragedy (CNN interview)

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/10/20/intv-curnow-pistorius-siblings.cnn.html

 

[sleuth-d-]

Excellent! Thank you. This is what I was after ... your reasoning. I will respond in due course.

also interested to hear your take on the bath panel mr f...

1. looks like it would have made a fair bit of noise - which raises the question as to whether the bat on door was the only source of sounds [other than gunshots]

2. as a house owner, i would be aware of unusual damage of that nature, the event, etc. - if it had happened prior to that night [e.g. op had an explanation for the broken window]. op offered no explanation, as far as i am aware, for the panel. this makes me think it definitely happened on the night.

 

[Interested Bystander]

also interested to hear your take on the bath panel mr f...

1. looks like it would have made a fair bit of noise - which raises the question as to whether the bat on door was the only source of sounds [other than gunshots]

2. as a house owner, i would be aware of unusual damage of that nature, the event, etc. - if it had happened prior to that night [e.g. op had an explanation for the broken window]. op offered no explanation, as far as i am aware, for the panel. this makes me think it definitely happened on the night.

It surprised me that Nel never asked OP how that damage occurred or did I miss it? Forensics couldn't actual say what caused it but it was quite obviously part of the destruction that night.