Trial Discussion Thread #8 - 14.03.17, Day 11

[minor4th]

I'd be more inclined to say mistaken Reeva's noise as that of an intruder. This isn't a case whereby OP saw a figure and thought the figure of Reeva was an intruder. OP didn't see anybody, and that was the real mistake.

That's correct.

 

[Rumpole]

I don't see how the 9 photos of OP can have consecutive numbers if 4 were taken initially and the other 5 (concerned mainly with prosthetic legs) were taken after a lot of other photos in between. The photo numbers presented in court must be assigned after they are selected to present.
I think what Roux is getting at by asking for the meta data and camera card is that each photo should have a sequential number assigned by the camera.
Given the Mickey Mouse CSI work testified to so far, I do wonder IF some photos have "vanished" at some stage.

 

[steveml]

I thought Nel did a good and thorough job today with key evidence and witnesses.

He did have a good day today. I think it's helped a bit that Roux doesn't seem to want to dig too deeply with the latest witness. It really appears to drag at times, however I'm happy that it takes as long as necessary. Correct justice for all concerned is paramount.

 

[Cherwell]

I love the way VS says 'Nay'. German housefrau's say no to their irritating husbands like that, when they are being a nuisance.

The word is 'Nee', pronounced 'nay'. It's just the Dutch/Afrikaans word for 'no'.

 

[steveml]

I don't see how the 9 photos of OP can have consecutive numbers if 4 were taken initially and the other 5 (concerned mainly with prosthetic legs) were taken after a lot of other photos in between. The photo numbers presented in court must be assigned after they are selected to present.
I think what Roux is getting at by asking for the meta data and camera card is that each photo should have a sequential number assigned by the camera.
Given the Mickey Mouse CSI work testified to so far, I do wonder IF some photos have "vanished" at some stage.

Good point. There's definitely something on Roux's mind here. It's a risky one though, as without knowing what's on those photo's, if they turn up it could work against him. I'm not too sure what advantage finding more photos would give Roux, other than another stab at proving incompetence. Not sure it's a risk I'd take if I were defending.

 

[Rumpole]

The point may be more evidence of unreliable CSI work... discrediting it all generally. Plus there does seem to be discrepancies on time line who was where when etc.
There is no denying the obvious scene in general..... but "the Devil is in the details"
"Reasonable Doubt" is the game that defense need to play. The burden is on the State to present a clear case and not one with lingering doubts.

 

[Cher352]

I don't see how the 9 photos of OP can have consecutive numbers if 4 were taken initially and the other 5 (concerned mainly with prosthetic legs) were taken after a lot of other photos in between. The photo numbers presented in court must be assigned after they are selected to present.
I think what Roux is getting at by asking for the meta data and camera card is that each photo should have a sequential number assigned by the camera.
Given the Mickey Mouse CSI work testified to so far, I do wonder IF some photos have "vanished" at some stage.

I missed the afternoon session, thanks from the updates everyone.

I can see Roux wanting the actual camera card. I know with my camera's SD card the pictures numbers are assigned in sequence of the order of taking. If a camera shot was later deleted from the card that shot's number will be missing from the order of sequence. It will be interesting.

Also from last week's testimony I thought Van Resberg was there and up in the bed/bath area with other officers before both Botha and Van Staden even arrived. If I get time I may go back and try to find Resberg's testimony.

 

[james83]

It does appear that whatever was going through OP's mind after the incident, there isn't much evidence to suggest that he was ever going to deny the shooting. If that was the case he's probably made the worse job ever of covering his tracks.

I'm inclined to agree that most actions after the shooting seem quite feasible (until the watch and safe incidents muddy the waters somewhat). Once some information/evidence is produced that forces OP to expand on his original story prior to the shooting things should become a lot clearer.

Lets for a second go along with Oscar's story like it's true but take it a stage further and put ourselves in his shoe's.
So you've accidentally just shot your partner through the toilet door, you smash down the door and your partner is "slumped over but still alive", naturally i'm sure we would all do exactly what Oscar did next, pick up his phone and call his friend the estate manager???????????????????????.:jail:

 

[minor4th]

The point may be more evidence of unreliable CSI work... discrediting it all generally. Plus there does seem to be discrepancies on time line who was where when etc.
There is no denying the obvious scene in general..... but "the Devil is in the details"
"Reasonable Doubt" is the game that defense need to play. The burden is on the State to present a clear case and not one with lingering doubts.

It's also curious that Nel objected so forcefully about Roux getting the meta data

 

[Rumpole]

I missed the afternoon session, thanks from the updates everyone.

I can see Roux wanting the actual camera card. I know with my camera's SD card the pictures numbers are assigned in sequence of the order of taking. If a camera shot was later deleted from the card that shot's number will be missing from the order of sequence. It will be interesting.

Also from last week's testimony I thought Van Resberg was there and up in the bed/bath area with other officers before both Botha and Van Staden even arrived. If I get time I may go back and try to find Resberg's testimony.

He did ask for the card, and it's coming. Nel spoke to it and said that Van Staden would need to oversee the defense viewing the card.
I'll look for the relay on YT

 

[Rumpole]

It's also curious that Nel objected so forcefully about Roux getting the meta data

Van Staden said he knows time from "looking at his watch" which is not exactly a "scientific" approach if in fact he has photos with meta data accurate times down to seconds

 

[zwiebel]

It's also curious that Nel objected so forcefully about Roux getting the meta data

It was forceful, and very quick. To be fair though, he didn't object to the metadata being handed over, he just wanted it supervised while in the hands of defence. The entire time. And wanted it back. Which does still have pretty poor implications about the level of trust.....

 

[zwiebel]

Apparently the safe was just full of medals and cartridges, by the way.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexCraw...899134976/photo/1?screen_name=AlexCrawfordSky

 

[zwiebel]

Here at the 11.55 am post there is a link to OP's test (firearms). Says he scored 30 out of 32. I can't get the pic at the link to open though.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/oscar-pistorius-trial-recap-updates-3251220

 

[zwiebel]

I don't see how the 9 photos of OP can have consecutive numbers if 4 were taken initially and the other 5 (concerned mainly with prosthetic legs) were taken after a lot of other photos in between. The photo numbers presented in court must be assigned after they are selected to present.
I think what Roux is getting at by asking for the meta data and camera card is that each photo should have a sequential number assigned by the camera.
Given the Mickey Mouse CSI work testified to so far, I do wonder IF some photos have "vanished" at some stage.

Were there a lot of photos in between?

 

[Rumpole]

Where there a lot of photos in between?

van Staden said there were other photos.

 

[Rumpole]

He did ask for the card, and it's coming. Nel spoke to it and said that Van Staden would need to oversee the defense viewing the card.
I'll look for the relay on YT

Here is a replay ref 56:00 onwards.

Roux asked for:
1. A set of original photos, archived by the Clerk. Wants them in "sealed condition" as provided by Clerk
2. Van Staden's "Flash drive"

[video=youtube;F-_JCifLpkI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-_JCifLpkI[/video]

 

[zwiebel]

I thought he said there were nine photos in total, of OP and his legs. I'm not sure if they were all put in the album though. I just thought he took photos of OP's body in the garage, then of his legs after they were removed in the garage. But maybe the legs were not made available until OP was sent to the police station?

The legs were damaged, it's reported here, with the synthetic skin scraped off in places and pure white showing through in patches.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/oscar-pistorius-trial-recap-updates-3251220

ETA: Lol, I'll just watch the video posted above this post now instead!

 

[zwiebel]

Well, even after listening again, I am still not clear. VS seems to say he started taking 9 pics at the entrance to the garage, Roux says 'You have nine photos of Mr Pistorius, what's the process?'

And then VS starts talking about taking photos of 'the scene'. I'm confused.

 

[Rumpole]

I recall van Staden eventually confessing that he took 4 photos of OP in the Garage and then moved on to take an outside shot and so on into the crime scene... the Prosthetic legs photos were much later. I'll see if I can find that too in the YT clip posted.

like a lot of the testimony you don't get a straight answer first time... but you do after asking the same question a few times.