Trial Discussion weekend Thread #18

[MeeBee]

I think at this point it's not this case that's being discussed but one's issues with the forums, in general. And I don't really think this is the place for that. IMO...

 

[BritsKate]

I don't think I've seen anyone comment on this topic who is pro-defendant in respect of a not-guilty belief.

As long as posters are providing a reasoned argument against the charge, it's seems beneficial towards provoking debate, if nothing more.

I guess we have to accept that both prosecution and defense are providing reasoned argument at this stage of the case, due to the undecided nature of many watching law professionals and legal reporters.

Perhaps that was poorly phrased on my part. My point was that there is an entire community out there posting heavily in belief of Oscar's innocence, naysaying those that protest his guilt.


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[Trooper]

Well unless all defendants ARE guilty... then the innocent ones and THEIR families suffer.



We do have a solution in the Judicial system we have chosen.... regard defendants as innocent... until proven guilty.

edited by me for brevity..

that's a neat quote but its unfinished as you know well. , is where any person is to be regarded as innocent until proven guilty in a court of law..

this is not a court of law.. it is an internet forum.. its as far removed from a court of law as one can get. you and I don't have the resources or information the prosecutor has, or the accused..

as it happens, I regarded Oscar as innocent up until Mrs Burgers testimony.. after that he's a stone cold killer , and that's how it is..

where and when did all this verboten of your comments begin?? and by whom??

 

[BritsKate]

I think at this point it's not this case that's being discussed but one's issues with the forums, in general. And I don't really think this is the place for that. IMO...

We finally agree on something!




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[Trooper]

Perhaps that was poorly phrased on my part. My point was that there is an entire community out there posting heavily in belief of Oscar's innocence, naysaying those that protest his guilt.


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there are acres, hectares, miles and klms of them, Kate.. anyone can partake... its highly possible the same good manners wouldn't be as expected as here,.... :blushing:

 

[Trooper]

the only people who are obliged and contacted to believe Oscar is innocent is his legal team.. and they require a very large amount of money to sustain that belief to do their job..

the people who don't believe in his innocence are the taxpayers and voters of the Republic of South Africa ,who are paying to mount this trial of Oscar for murder..

anyone else, and that includes me, is free to come to a decision about Oscar that neither requires me to pay for it, or to be paid for it.

 

[MeeBee]

We finally agree on something!




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:blowkiss: :thumb:

 

[steveml]

But killing your girlfriend is not just being a reckless *******, it's actually unbelievable. People do not kill their girlfriends by 'accidentally' pumping them full of bullets through a toilet door. Even Oscar Pistorius is not that stupid.

Although it's not unbelievable jay-jay.

A reckless act is a reckless act. How many people have been killed in car crashes because their partners were driving recklessly?

The partner cannot claim to have been defending their passenger, they cannot claim they did it in the interest of anything else other than their own selfishness.

The outcome is a fatality exactly the same, yet somehow it doesn't fall into the same category as it was only a ton and a half of steel, petrol, oil and rubber, and not a gun.

 

[Cherwell]

Although it's not unbelievable jay-jay.

A reckless act is a reckless act. How many people have been killed in car crashes because their partners were driving recklessly?

The partner cannot claim to have been defending their passenger, they cannot claim they did it in the interest of anything else other than their own selfishness.

The outcome is a fatality exactly the same, yet somehow it doesn't fall into the same category as it was only a ton and a half of steel, petrol, oil and rubber, and not a gun.

And the driver is risking his/her own life at the same time.

 

[Trooper]

Although it's not unbelievable jay-jay.

A reckless act is a reckless act. How many people have been killed in car crashes because their partners were driving recklessly?

The partner cannot claim to have been defending their passenger, they cannot claim they did it in the interest of anything else other than their own selfishness.

The outcome is a fatality exactly the same, yet somehow it doesn't fall into the same category as it was only a ton and a half of steel, petrol, oil and rubber, and not a gun.

Oscar hasn't been indicted for vehicular homicide.. .. his brother was though..

 

[Trooper]

the equivalent of 'someone ' murdering Reeva with a car, like Oscar did with his weaponry would require the driver to punch her out on the ground and then run over her forwards, put it in park, put it in reverse, reverse backwards, put it in park put it in drive and forward again and then stagger down the street with her mangled body and lay it out in a bus stop ,and then saying,' I ran over her but I thought she was a white line on the road. '

 

[Trooper]

so it doesn't fall into the same category because there is provision in the law to be charged with that crime as distinct from the crime Oscar is charged with..

 

[steveml]

Oscar hasn't been indicted for vehicular homicide.. .. his brother was though..

The nature of intention with regard to a reckless act will be tested in either case.

We obtain a driving license by passing a test, as is the same when obtaining a gun license.

In both situations it would be a stretch to suggest we weren't aware of a potential outcome. I expect this will play a major part in the trial.

 

[BritsKate]

Sometimes a reckless act is murder according to SA law. Famous rapper Jub Jub and a co-accused were convicted of murder and attempted murder. Their drag-racing through the streets of Soweto led to the death of four children. Dolus eventualis - they never intended to kill anyone but should have foreseen their actions could lead to someone's death.

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[steveml]

And the driver is risking his/her own life at the same time.

Oh. that's gallant of them.

 

[DebinGA]

Jub Jub was high on drugs at the time. I take it the "meds" found at OP's weren't deemed important in this case?

 

[Trooper]

Sometimes a reckless act is murder according to SA law. Famous rapper Jub Jub and a co-accused were convicted of murder and attempted murder. Their drag-racing through the streets of Soweto led to the death of four children. Dolus eventualis - they never intended to kill anyone but should have foreseen their actions could lead to someone's death.

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I'd forgotten that case kate. thanks for the heads up.


Clive Derby-Lewis gave orders to his secret followers , some of who were in his political party, some in the police, some in the army in South Africa to 'get rid' of opponents.. He was the Minister for Economics in the South African Parliament, Opposition.. his followers murdered a man called Chris Hani... it was a reckless order , no argument about it.

Clive was found guilty and sentenced to death .. the irony of it all was.. it took a black Prime minister to end the death penalty, the very people Clive was out to kill. He is still in prison. aged 74.. still in solitary confinement.

and btw.... Clive Derby Lewis had as the prosecutor for his case, and it was a long and convoluted one, was none other than.. Gerrie Nel.

 

[steveml]

Jub Jub was high on drugs at the time. I take it the "meds" found at OP's weren't deemed important in this case?

Not illegal in any way.

Though when I saw what I think was these, the glass vials they were in looked a bit unusual for normal off the shelf stuff.

 

[Cherwell]

Oh. that's gallant of them.

A flippant answer to what was a solid point. Disappointing.

 

[DebinGA]

I'd be very surprised if OP wasn't taking some type of mood stabilizer though, just to help him avoid more public spectacles for the press to seize on. I bet that bottle walked out the door with his phone.