Trial Discussion weekend Thread #18

[04009margaret]

Respectfully staying out of the current debate lol

 

[soozieqtips]

A flippant answer to what was a solid point. Disappointing.

It was a very solid point since the driver is putting himself at risk as much as his passenger. Unlike for example, the passenger being locked behind a toilet door while the driver charges the door and pumps it full of bullets. Not much risk to the driver in that scenario.

 

[kittychi]

It is funny but despite all the bad press it his his own statement that make me lean towards him being guilty . His statement is like a snowball effect in that there has to be so some many unusual implausible things to have happened for it to be true .
Probably not explaining my self very well but that is just my gut feeling and has not been brought on by the press but by me trying to think his version through .

For what it is worth if he did know it was Reeva I do think he likely did it in a moment of anger/madness rather than a thought out plan to kill well in advance.

Occasionally I pity him for ruining his own life and everything he has worked for as well as taking Reeva's but quickly come back round to the fact that if found guilty he deserves his punishment .
Reeva's parents will never get over this and will be suffering for the rest of their lives but seeing justice done may help them .

I agree. I think this is the reason he had to add to his statement for trial.

These things had to be true:

1. brought in two fans instead of one
2. talked with Reeva shortly before the "event"
3. he switched sides of the bed
4. the gun was under the bed instead of the nightstand
5. it had to have been pitch dark in the room
6. the light had to be broken in the loo
7. he has to have screamed like a woman and 5 witnesses would have had to "mis-hear" what they heard

Anyone want to add to this list?

What he forgot:

1. Reeva ate hours after 10:00 pm when he claimed they went to bed
2.

 

[Gryffindor]

Hi. Just to add re the phone lark : Oscar had outperformed a jailbreak on his phone when he got it. For this very reason, regardless of content, non-content, it would require specific, hi tech software to access info ;-)

 

[Really?]

we haven't really gone into the drugs/steroids.....that OP had.....pig something or another.....whatever were in those vials....a sexual enhancer? wth was that stuff???

 

[DebinGA]

I agree. I think this is the reason he had to add to his statement for trial.

These things had to be true:

1. brought in two fans instead of one
2. talked with Reeva shortly before the "event"
3. he switched sides of the bed,
4. the gun was under the bed instead of the nightstand.
5. it had to have been pitch dark in the room
6. the light was broken in the loo
7. he has to have screamed like a woman and 5 witnesses would have had to "mis-hear" what they heard

8. At the same moment terror filled him, OP's mind registered that there were no burglar bars on the bathroom window and that ladders had been left outside.

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

I've been wondering one of best friends Menalou , next door neighbors , and the live-in caretaker Frankie or the woman in charge of Oscar living a place in his garden, all of these people lived nearer to him than the state witnesses ,
why weren't they at the scene ?We haven't heard abt their exstence by Mr stipp who stayed there quite a while ?Didn't the gunshots , yellings ,terrified screams ambulances , securities make them rush to their neighbor's house for help ?

Very very odd to me..:scared:

as if they were all dictated from someone not to come in and interfere at the time?

 

[kittychi]

we haven't really gone into the drugs/steroids.....that OP had.....pig something or another.....whatever were in those vials....a sexual enhancer? wth was that stuff???

Right...and I still want to know how much he had to drink...he had just come from a party.

 

[Gryffindor]

Right...and I still want to know how much he had to drink...he had just come from a party.

But he'd driven home . ... .

 

[steveml]

It was a very solid point since the driver is putting himself at risk as much as his passenger. Unlike for example, the passenger being locked behind a toilet door while the driver charges the door and pumps it full of bullets. Not much risk to the driver in that scenario.

I don't think it's a solid point at all. If OP believed he was trying to stop an intruder, how is that less important than driving recklessly. The reckless driver of a car isn't attempting to avoid a potential situation in any way, he's intentionally creating it.

It's only a flippant remark if you believe the rowing/stalking/abuse scenario.

Anyhow, back on topic...

 

[Trooper]

I agree. I think this is the reason he had to add to his statement for trial.

These things had to be true:

1. brought in two fans instead of one
2. talked with Reeva shortly before the "event"
3. he switched sides of the bed
4. the gun was under the bed instead of the nightstand
5. it had to have been pitch dark in the room
6. the light had to be broken in the loo
7. he has to have screamed like a woman and 5 witnesses would have had to "mis-hear" what they heard

Anyone want to add to this list?

What he forgot:

1. Reeva ate hours after 10:00 pm when he claimed they went to bed
2.

to the list of what has to be true.. people have to mistake cricket bat sounds for gunshots..

he made his mystery trip upstairs while Reevas body was in the hallway being attended to by Stipp just for the hell of it . a little stroll upstairs and downstairs because he can.

to the list of what he forgot.. his panic button, his own gun left loaded in the bathroom, his forgetting that people live close by.

his forgetting to ring the police.

 

[DebinGA]

I agree. I think this is the reason he had to add to his statement for trial.

...
What he forgot:

1. Reeva ate hours after 10:00 pm when he claimed they went to bed
2.

2. ... to buy a Valentine's gift for Reeva?

 

[Gryffindor]

And if he'd been drinking heavily SINCE arriving home for the evening, I'm sure the PT would have raised that.

 

[Trooper]

the weirdest thing he forgot. is that he , he says now. spoke with Reeva a few moments before!!.....

he forgot this?? these were the last words, according to his story that Reeva ever spoke in her shortened life.. and he forgot the last words he ever spoke to her??


pffffff

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

I agree. I think this is the reason he had to add to his statement for trial.

These things had to be true:

1. brought in two fans instead of one
2. talked with Reeva shortly before the "event"
3. he switched sides of the bed,
4. the gun was under the bed instead of the nightstand.
5. it had to have been pitch dark in the room
6. the light was broken in the loo
7. he has to have screamed like a woman and 5 witnesses would have had to "mis-hear" what they heard

8. At the same moment terror filled him, OP's mind registered that there were no burglar bars on the bathroom window and that ladders had been left outside.

9. Reeva was totally silent before and during and after she was shot 4 times.
10. They got up at the very same minute not seeing each other.
11.He was so scared that he could't switch a light on, but yet brave enough to shout Reeva to call the police on his way attacking the intruder/s.
12. Reeva was sleeping with his vest and shorts she came in.
13.Her jeans decided to jump from the bathroom window.
........more .......

 

[soozieqtips]

I don't think it's a solid point at all. If OP believed he was trying to stop an intruder, how is that less important than driving recklessly. The reckless driver of a car isn't attempting to avoid a potential situation in any way, he's intentionally creating it.

It's only a flippant remark if you believe the rowing/stalking/abuse scenario.

Anyhow, back on topic...

BBM - And OP intentionally created a 'potential' situation by shooting 4 times at a door when he was under no immediate threat. He had other options, but chose the option that would kill. The reckless driver wouldn't know in advance if his passenger was about to be killed - but OP knew in advance that he was about to kill whoever was behind the door, and made the conscious decision to kill them anyway.

 

[soozieqtips]

the weirdest thing he forgot. is that he , he says now. spoke with Reeva a few moments before!!.....

he forgot this?? these were the last words, according to his story that Reeva ever spoke in her shortened life.. and he forgot the last words he ever spoke to her??


pffffff

BBM - So he may have suffered intermittent blindness, deafness and amnesia just before and during the murder. Now I almost feel sorry for him!!

 

[DebinGA]

#1 must-be-truism:

"We were deeply in love and I could not be happier. I know she felt the same way."

 

[steveml]

I agree. I think this is the reason he had to add to his statement for trial.

These things had to be true:

1. brought in two fans instead of one
2. talked with Reeva shortly before the "event"
3. he switched sides of the bed,
4. the gun was under the bed instead of the nightstand.
5. it had to have been pitch dark in the room
6. the light was broken in the loo
7. he has to have screamed like a woman and 5 witnesses would have had to "mis-hear" what they heard

8. At the same moment terror filled him, OP's mind registered that there were no burglar bars on the bathroom window and that ladders had been left outside.

I don't understand why OP's even included points 1 to 4.

If I was lying about something they wouldn't be in my plan, as they don't seem to serve any purpose other than to incriminate.

 

[DebinGA]

Maybe the company doing the reenactment video told
Roux the initial tale wouldn't work, and OP "remembered" more to stretch the time he was going hither and fro on the balcony. Some of the many team psychologists may have even "regressed" him to the actual time the "unfortunate event" took place.