Trial Discussion weekend Thread #24

[Gryffindor]

Im willing to take pieter baba's word for it that there was a panic button.

Even although Baba's never been inside his house.

I'll continue to take Oscar's word for most things.

 

[Trooper]

I'd like to go over his actions in more detail after he shot her.

He turned down help from security system.

Was told to bring her in himself by ambulance service.

Called the friends over? When did that happen?

Molly.. at the first page of this thread are all the documents, testimony, evidence tabled by the Prosecution , and the defence.. You will also find all direct video of testimony given so far, except that of Dr Saayman, and his summarized evidence is there also.. you will find all the telecom evidence, showing times of calls, from and to whom..

 

[Cherwell]

By the way, this from a link quoted earlier made me LOL

Mr. Carr said watching Mr. Pistorius’s histrionics reminded him of the veteran U.S. actor George Burns.

“George Burns said the secret to acting was sincerity. If you can fake that you’ve got it made.”

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/04/11/oscar-pistorius-reeva-steenkamp-trial-crying/

 

[Val1]

actually. he doesn't immediately call for help.. he sits on the bed, puts his prosthetics on,. goes back into the bathroom and he says, 'aims a kick at the door'... then he runs back to the bedroom, to the balcony, tripping over the fans, the duvet, and calls helphelphelp...

Is that when he synced the ipads too?

 

[steveml]

Though Dr Stipp stated both sets were gunshots, to him, didn't he.

That's correct. I've no doubt that the first set of noises he heard was gunshots. His wife also testified that these first noises were gunshots.

If we are to believe they are correct, and the first noises were gunshots, then we know for a fact (and I've not used that word often) that all the screaming they heard was OP.

 

[wb180]

First thing I'd do in an emergency situation like this would be to quickly shout for help, next priority get that door open by any means to see what condition my partner is in, next priority see if I can stem bleeding, whilst I'm stemming the blood my hands wouldn't be free to do anything else. As soon as I can do nothing more I would phone for help.

I don't know the situation with the panic buttons, but at this stage you're fully aware that you're not dealing with an intruder, you're dealing with a casualty. At that moment, shouting for a neighbour would probably be far quicker and more productive than anything security could do.

I disagree - calling security and ambulance is indefinitely quicker and more productive than shouting outside your balcony in the middle of the night.

If it is more quicker and more productive, no need to have an emergency number for police and ambulance and they don't need do drills anymore as your friendly neighbor is even more effective.

 

[shane13]

Not everyone's heart stops beating the moment they receive a gunshot to the head. That's an undisputed fact. Plenty of people survive a gunshot to the head.

If you think Kennedy's heart was beating after that head wound, I have a bridge to sell you.

The Pathologist says Reeva died instantly and the lack of blood at the scene confirms that.

So questions remain:

Time of death would be time of the shots fired. What time were the shots fired? Is this in dispute?

Did Oscar really think Reeva was still alive when doc shows up? Or is he faking it?

Did Oscar realize immediately that she was dead when he opened the door? If so, how does this explain his subsequent actions?

BBM:
Molly333: No need for that please. Thank you.

As for the actual facts. Prsident Kennedy was shot in the head at 12:30 PM. Here is video of Assistant White House Press Secretary Malcom Kilduff telling all the reporters in Parkland Hospital at circa 1:30 PM, that President Kennedy died at 1:00 PM.

November 22, 1963 - Malcolm Kilduff announces the death of President John F. Kennedy - YouTube

In other words, despite massive brain tauma and frankly massive loss of brain, his heart beat for another half hour.
I would also beseech all you sleuthers to watch the short video to its very end where he shows where the fatal head shot actually entered the President’s head…

 

[steveml]

I disagree - calling security and ambulance is indefinitely quicker and more productive than shouting outside your balcony in the middle of the night.

If it is more quicker and more productive, no need to have an emergency number for police and ambulance and they don't need do drills anymore as your friendly neighbor is even more effective.

No worries.

He needs to get that door open sharpish. I'd want the nearest person to me to help.

 

[Emz73]

I'm really surprised there hasn't been recording of the netcare phone call?? When that bloke at the mobile home park in America killed his family, they played it to show he was distraught.

If the phone call showed him calm etc the the pros would of played it?
If he didn't ring them and just let it go for a few seconds wouldn't that be on record?
Thinking now it was meant to be 66 seconds. Which doesn't happen here as they keep you on the line until the police get there.
If they didn't even speak to him, he just hung there wouldn't they of come forward and say he's lying?

Or is it an embarrassment for them they gave terrible advice but wouldn't that be all over the news?
Have they lost the recording, why not admit it?

I obviously need to get a life as its a lovely day outside but its annoying me.
In these murders there's always a 911/999 call to play???

 

[Trooper]

Even although Baba's never been inside his house.

I'll continue to take Oscar's word for most things.

oddly, Baba still cant figure out why Oscar didn't press his panic button. he testified to this.. it puzzled him at the time, and still did when he gave evidence about the panic button of Oscars.

Baba, being the bloke in charge of the panic button system would know which home occupiers had one.. who paid for it. when they paid for it.... he says Oscar had one.

 

[wb180]

Even although Baba's never been inside his house.

I'll continue to take Oscar's word for most things.

Then the case is closed for you because Oscar said he shouldn't be tried for murder let alone premeditated murder.

 

[asanque]

That's correct. I've no doubt that the first set of noises he heard was gunshots. His wife also testified that these first noises were gunshots.

If we are to believe they are correct, and the first noises were gunshots, then we know for a fact (and I've not used that word often) that all the screaming they heard was OP.

So your contention is that OP sounds like a woman when he screams and to others like a man AND a woman.

We also need to disregard all evidence to the contrary that he actually sounds like a man when screaming (i.e. from Sam Taylor)

 

[james83]

Even although Baba's never been inside his house.

I'll continue to take Oscar's word for most things.

Lol, yeah maybe your right, who could question oscars integrity?.

 

[molly333]

how much time do you reckon, molly?? = what does ' a while ' consist of in your book??

20 to 30 minutes in my book.

She was dead in the closet.

That means first set of shots [at 3am] were gunshots [IMO].

 

[Cherwell]

If anything like that had happened, I feel sure that the prosecution would have called the Netcare operator as a witness. I sure would love to know the content of that call.

But they didn't know about that cell phone in time to get recordings, right?

I'm probably missing something here, but OP's claim to have called Netcare has been in evidence from the start. I don't see where his phone comes into it. The prosecution team has spoken to Netcare (various Netcare personnel are included on the witness list). I can only conclude that there was nothing useful there for the prosecution.

 

[soozieqtips]

Even although Baba's never been inside his house.

I'll continue to take Oscar's word for most things.

Does that include the magic gun going off without his finger on the trigger? His 'word' has been proven to be lies for 'most' things so far - and Nel hasn't even got started. I'm glad he is fighting for Reeva. After all, it was her life that ended in a toilet after being shot by someone we now know was thoroughly unpleasant, highly volatile, a liar, immoral, thought nothing of shooting a dog in the back of the head (without saying a word to the owner), accuses his DT for his inaccurate affidavit, his friends of lying, the police for not showing him 'courtesy' when dealing with his firearm in the car, the list is too long to complete. But one thing I know, is he's a nasty piece of work, and if it was anyone other than him, no one would give him the time of day. Famous people are just people with more money than the rest of us. They're not saints. And plenty of them have murdered.

ETA - I also recall you copying and pasting a bunch of abusive tweets about Reeva, but nothing negative about OP. Is that because there was nothing negative to find about him?

 

[james83]

20 to 30 minutes in my book.

She was dead in the closet.

That means first set of shots [at 3am] were gunshots [IMO].

So why did it take around 15 minutes for him to get the toilet door open?.

 

[asanque]

I think 3am is when she died.

So what is your explanation for all the female screaming heard by the neighbours?

 

[molly333]

BBM:
Molly333: No need for that please. Thank you.

As for the actual facts. Prsident Kennedy was shot in the head at 12:30 PM. Here is video of Assistant White House Press Secretary Malcom Kilduff telling all the reporters in Parkland Hospital at circa 1:30 PM, that President Kennedy died at 1:00 PM.


In other words, despite massive brain tauma and frankly massive loss of brain, his heart beat for another half hour.
I would also beseech all you sleuthers to watch the short video to its very end where he shows where the fatal head shot actually entered the President’s head…

You don't have to believe me but I'll say it anyway. He was DOA. They made sure of that. His head exploded on camera.

 

[Viper]

Lol, yeah maybe your right, who could question oscars integrity?.

LOL!!! You just made me spill coffee on my leg! :floorlaugh: