Trial Discussion weekend Thread #24

[TorisMom003]

During OP's BAS he states that he phoned Stander to call for an ambulance.

During OP's testimony he states that he phoned Stander to come and help him because he could not carry Reeva down the stairs, out to the car to take her to the hospital, by himself.

The call to Stander was before the call to Netcare.

 

[TorisMom003]

Then why the heck didn't he take the time to put his legs on, while he was still behind the locked bedroom doors? Why would you go towards danger, swaying and unsteady, leaning up against a wall, so vulnerably, when it would only take seconds to throw on those blade runners?

The blade runners take longer to put on and are not the every day ones that OP wears. His regular pros. legs slip on without any straps and are easily slipped on within seconds.

The rest of the post I agree with.

 

[molly333]

I agree with that, but I'm thinking in terms of this specific incident.

If we recap, until OP gets that door open he doesn't know what's happened. He doesn't know if Reeva's dead, alive or fell to the floor unconscious. He doesn't know where the bullets have gone inside that toilet or how many may have hit. He has no information to tell the emergency services at that stage. This is why my primary concern would be to get the door open, see where the bullets have gone and and try to stem any immediate bleeding.

This only applies if OP didn't hear Reeva screaming, which is his claim.

If he had heard Reeva screaming, then he'd notice that the screaming had stopped, and would presume he had killed, or at the very least seriously wounded Reeva. In that scenario it wouldn't matter when he made the call.

Just get the ambulance on its way. Then you can attend to other things.

So the ambulance is there and can attend immediately when you get the person out of the closet.

Not that it mattered in this case, she died instantly.

When was an ambulance finally called? 25 minutes later? I don't even know who called the ambulance yet.

Let's put it this way, if she hadn't been hit in the head, she probably would have bled out from the other wounds by the time the ambulance got there.

 

[TorisMom003]

Someone who can recall or is willing to help me find and listen for, please help.

Did OP testify that he went downstairs to open the front door BEFORE he called Stander, Netcare or anyone else?

I am pretty sure that I read that in the transcripts provided here on WS from court for yesterday.

 

[Trooper]

Someone who can recall or is willing to help me find and listen for, please help.

Did OP testify that he went downstairs to open the front door BEFORE he called Stander, Netcare or anyone else?

I am pretty sure that I read that in the transcripts provided here on WS from court for yesterday.

he calls standar

he then calls netcare.. he says they tell him to take reeva himself..

he goes downstairs to unlock the door ( carefully deactivating the alarm)

 

[DebinGA]

Exactly. And even now he still has the nerve to criticise Stipp during his testimony. I found that incredibly unfair and totally inappropriate. OP shot her 4 times!!!

Dr. Shipp was a real hero, not a pretend one, knowingly going toward actual danger. I bet m'lady agrees and gives his testimony the weight it deserves.

 

[clearskies1]

Exactly. And even now he still has the nerve to criticise Stipp during his testimony. I found that incredibly unfair and totally inappropriate. OP shot her 4 times!!!

Totally agree. What temerity -- so galling.

MOO.

 

[Trooper]

then he bounces upstairs again to continue on !

 

[molly333]

During OP's BAS he states that he phoned Stander to call for an ambulance.

During OP's testimony he states that he phoned Stander to come and help him because he could not carry Reeva down the stairs, out to the car to take her to the hospital, by himself.

The call to Stander was before the call to Netcare.

More strange stuff.

 

[TorisMom003]

he calls standar

he then calls netcare.. he says they tell him to take reeva himself..

he goes downstairs to unlock the door ( carefully deactivating the alarm)

Yes, that was his testimony at first. However, I was sure that I read that yesterday he changed that testimony to that he went downstairs to open the door before he phoned anyone. I am trying to determine if that is in fact what he testified to yesterday or not.

But thank you!

 

[Trooper]

Totally agree. What temerity -- so galling.

MOO.

after reflection.. I think he threw that comment down because it had been boiling in him for a very long time.. .. maybe even as long as a year ago..

it had no rationale, and it made him sound absurd, but something in him wanted to shout it out.

 

[molly333]

Dr. Shipp was a real hero, not a pretend one, knowingly going toward actual danger. I bet m'lady agrees and gives his testimony the weight it deserves.

Yes, he was. Doctors often are. And, like God, don't accept bribes!

 

[AlexUK]

Lets remember Oscar's story about being shot at whilst driving when after the incident he can't remember who he called for help or who came and picked him up:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
Really?.
With that clearly made up story he has shown the judge he is willing to get up on the stand and lie under oath, what does she make of that i wonder?.

Strange that nobody has come forward to say 'it was me who picked him up and it was me who took him back the next day to collect the car'!

:dunno:

 

[TorisMom003]

Strange that nobody has come forward to say 'it was me who picked him up and it was me who took him back the next day to collect the car'!

:dunno:

Because as Mr. Nel said, it never happened.

 

[Trooper]

I think he veered way way off the script with that Stipp comment.. he had to pull himself back, but he couldn't do it in time.. it took hold of him.

 

[weeeva]

If that's what he did, I have to say it shows great presence of mind.

Because if he did kill her on purpose, it was in a moment of rage or passion, not cold blooded, IMO.

Hard to believe someone could go from rage to working out a scenario that makes it look like an accident so fast.

He really only had minutes to figure this all out, if that's the case.

Agree. That's one of the reasons I tend to give him benefit of doubt. It all happened too quickly for him to be able make up a plausible story. Well plausible to me at least.

 

[molly333]

Then why the heck didn't he take the time to put his legs on, while he was still behind the locked bedroom doors? Why would you go towards danger, swaying and unsteady, leaning up against a wall, so vulnerably, when it would only take seconds to throw on those blade runners?

Because they were back around on the other side of the bed past two fans and extension cords in a pitch black room.

 

[clearskies1]

Dr. Shipp was a real hero, not a pretend one, knowingly going toward actual danger. I bet m'lady agrees and gives his testimony the weight it deserves.

Yes, I'm thankful for the Dr. Stipps in this world.

MOO.

 

[Trooper]

Agree. That's one of the reasons I tend to give him benefit of doubt. It all happened too quickly for him to be able make up a plausible story. Well plausible to me at least.

He has made up a story.. lets see if its plausible to the judge..


It isn't to me.

 

[TorisMom003]

Because they were back around on the other side of the bed past two fans and extension cords in a pitch black room.

But according to OP's version he was already near that side of the bed when he heard the noise. OP stated that he was at the foot of the bed, after moving the fans and such by the balcony, to put the jeans on the LED light. His "legs" were near the balcony to "air out".