TRIAL - Ross Harris #1

[arkansasmimi]

I was very disappointed in the witnesses testimony today.

The security person who said it stood out to him that Ross told him he was going to a movie. In the past Ross only spoke to him in general polite hellos and goodbyes. Is this all the prosecutors have? This is suppose to make Ross guilty? He saw Leanne upset when she arrived at the Home Depot looking for Ross. News story of Cooper breaks into the normal tv schedule. Everyone watches it on the lobby tv screen and Leanne is quiet. Again, this makes her guilty? Could she have been in shock or disbelief that this must be a nightmare?

The computer expert testimony did nothing to convince me that Ross was searching these sites. Even the expert who used the search words "child free" never went on the site to see what was posted. He did not know what kind of site it was or what was posted. The computer expert in the salmon top was stating "I only download the data based on keywords and send it to detectives". She did not want to admit responsibility that she found nothing.

The escort, Daniela. What was the point of her testimony? That Ross is a man who pays for sex? Move over because many happily married men are doing this everyday. Does this show poor character? Sure but it does not show he purposely left his child in the car to die.

The prosecutors better have more evidence than this or they are going to lose. I am more convinced than ever that Ross was arrested because he yelled at the officers, did not act or cry at the appropriate times, had socially awkward conversations, sexted with women, went to prostitutes and was a lousy husband.

On the Escort/Prostitute. I am curious as to why as LEO who did a sting, on a person who was on Probation for marijuana, in a room where Witness admitted to them that she had marijuana and that was evident from smell in room, and was a prostitute yet did nothing? Laws broken but nothing did about any of those? :thinking:
And she had already seen the story on the news, yet she didn't put that together then, but only after the cops sit her up in a sting? Per Stoddard he met her at 9pm on 6/20/2014 2 days after Cooper died.

 

[minor4th]

I was very disappointed in the witnesses testimony today.

The security person who said it stood out to him that Ross told him he was going to a movie. In the past Ross only spoke to him in general polite hellos and goodbyes. Is this all the prosecutors have? This is suppose to make Ross guilty? He saw Leanne upset when she arrived at the Home Depot looking for Ross. News story of Cooper breaks into the normal tv schedule. Everyone watches it on the lobby tv screen and Leanne is quiet. Again, this makes her guilty? Could she have been in shock or disbelief that this must be a nightmare?

The computer expert testimony did nothing to convince me that Ross was searching these sites. Even the expert who used the search words "child free" never went on the site to see what was posted. He did not know what kind of site it was or what was posted. The computer expert in the salmon top was stating "I only download the data based on keywords and send it to detectives". She did not want to admit responsibility that she found nothing.

The escort, Daniela. What was the point of her testimony? That Ross is a man who pays for sex? Move over because many happily married men are doing this everyday. Does this show poor character? Sure but it does not show he purposely left his child in the car to die.

The prosecutors better have more evidence than this or they are going to lose. I am more convinced than ever that Ross was arrested because he yelled at the officers, did not act or cry at the appropriate times, had socially awkward conversations, sexted with women, went to prostitutes and was a lousy husband.

This. These are exactly my thoughts - 100% every word.

 

[arkansasmimi]

And backed into a space at work, without a back up camera in the car, so he would have had to turn his head, and he would have seen Cooper.

RBBM
JMHO this is not true. Many people can back up using only their side mirrors and rear view mirrors. That is the purpose of those mirrors and mirrors have to be on all vehicles on highways. To see behind and beside you. If he were looking over to his right to view the passenger side mirror, it is still possible not to see Cooper if was not paying attention to back seat but rather backing the SUV between the 2 vehicles and then pulling forward.

I do not know what we will hear on video/audio from interview from RH. On his backing up if he said anything about looked in mirrors or turned around. Stoddard testified about RH backing up between 2 vehicles then pulling forward can be seen on the HD parking lot video. Kilgore made reference to that as well. It been said he turned around to change into the far right lane and that when he saw Cooper.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I agree with your statement. It is very common in the South to be friendly and pleasant. Leaving work early will also make you feel good so you might even tell someone you are leaving to see a movie.

At Walmart or grocery stores the cashiers I do not know will share personal information sometimes. To someone who does not live here, that might seem weird. It was only weird to the security guard much later and was not in his original statement. Again, it seems like the police/detectives planted seeds.

AGREE and after he watched it unfold on tv. I think there was a full season of planting seeds or testimony so far seems so. JMHO

 

[8paws]

So RH has all these expensive Apple products (iphone, ipad, macbook) yet they can't buy a second full size car seat to keep their baby safe?

I said the same thing in chat yesterday! Makes me so darn mad!

 

[minor4th]

Well for me the factual testimony. Stoddard stated at the 7/2/14 Bond Hearing that Cooper exceeded the owners manual by several inches , Then asked by State if they used an aide .. which Stoddard testified yes they put a doll in the car seat and the doll was shorter than Cooper and you could still see the head. Stoddard referred to CSI Grimstead in his testimony.

Factually, crown to rump Cooper height would NOT make his head exceed the top of the car seat as Stoddard made it sound in his testimony. He was 14' from bottom to crown of head sitting in car seat, measurements of where his bottom was to top of car seat was 19 1/4 inches. Difference of 5 1/4 inches. Nor was Cooper over the weight, he was 21 lbs 5.4 oz iirc and the weight was testified in court to be up to 30 iirc.

Yet, this photo was taken by CSI Grimstead the day prior on 7/2/14 ... CSI Grimstead testified and it was very clear watching and listening to his testimony that he did not realize the difference in the placement of the car seat vs how it originally was on 6/18/14. CSI Grimstead (at time CSI Tech, now a Detective) admitted on cross that any thing after that 7/2/14 was not factual to 6/18/14. There was a lift extension on bottom of car seat that was orig lower, it was raised if I understand correctly in the 7/2/14 CSI photos, thus making the car seat lean back towards the front seats more than it was in measurements of 6/18/14 changing the view and factual information.

This is very important, because that info was used 7/3/14 Bond Hearing and also was used in making the animated 3D video the State plans to use.
jmho from listening to testimony in hearings, trial and looking at the autopsy report only

I understand why the defense would make an issue of this (because Stoddard lied) but I don't understand why the state is still pursuing this part of the narrative, that the car seat was too small and Cooper was restrained on the lowest setting in straps that were too tight, etc. The state knows this is not true, so I don't get why they are still talking about the car seat being too small.

Even if it was too small, that does not make it any more or less likely that Ross intentionally murdered his son.

 

[minor4th]

FYI, one can back up without turning your head all the way around. There's a rear view mirror and a side mirror ....

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by shiloh42 View Post
And backed into a space at work, without a back up camera in the car, so he would have had to turn his head, and he would have seen Cooper.

Quote Originally Posted by jamiect View Post
My husband never turns his head when backing up. Our SUV does not have a back-up camera and he relies solely on the side mirrors. Me, on the other hand, cannot do it without constantly turning my head.

But mirrors leave blind spots, especially in a big vehicle like an SUV. I think your method is much better! [emoji3]

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Not trying to sound snippy, but has been described as a small SUV. And I agree there are always possible blind spots, a big rig/semi truck driver can't turn around and look out his window to back up or other vehicles. So just saying as the OP stated that he would have had to turn around to back up, is not factual. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

The witness specifically said it was weird for Ross to tell him about the movie. He said he was not Chatty with him ever. Also it is a fact that cooper was too big for the car seat. We have a entire thread dedicated to it.

Edited to say this post lands randomly after me catching up...not at anyone specific just thoughts after reading the last 5-6 pages

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No offense taken. I am just going on what has been presented in testimony and the autopsy report.

 

[arkansasmimi]

And I only ever use my driver's side mirror and my rear view mirror, the latter set higher than I'd be able to see anything lower than the head rests of the back seat.

I've commented on this before, that it never occurred to me before this case 's discussion that peeps backed their cars up in so many different ways.

It would be a remarkable coincidence, imo, if all the jurors happened to turn around towards the back seat as they backed up their cars . Doubt that 'll be the case, and that the jury will understand there was nothing inevitable or necessary about RH seeing Cooper when he parked at work that day.

If you go back and look at the video Grimstead took and played in court Wed, you can see (and Kilgore stops the video and asks witness what that is, which is thru the windshield. RH is 6'2. This witness iirc was around 6ft. But anyways, in that spot you see the view of what the rear view mirror sees. JMHO that was Kilgore point. And iirc could not see what in the rear seat. I remb seeing the dome light one. Have to go back and look. Car seat was still in car, was at the Crime Scene Shed/bay.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Originally Posted by shiloh42 View Post
-(BBM) The opening statements are not testimony. Kilgore can say whatever he wants in the statement, that doesn't mean anything until the actual testimony comes. So I will reserve opinion on that topic.

Did you listen today's testimony or read the posts here today? Asked and answered. Neither Leanne or Ross made those searches.

And yes, opening statements aren't to be considered as testimony by a jury, but no attorney in his right competent mind would make untrue factual claims. Kilgore didn't.

:cheers: Agree, Not evidence. BUT I personally take notes lol as much as literally possible of what said and then try to go back over as I rewatch. SO FAR, Kilgore OS have been right on the money to what he said was going to be presented. I would encourage anyone that does keep up to go back and listen lol and how testimony so far is matching up. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

No - no searches. But he typed in the website/forum Reddit/child free. That is a fact in testimony today.

I don't care if it was once or more- I've never had an interest in that topic nor have I had a child die due to my negligence- all the coincidences add up. It can't all be explained away.

There are many posts that are stated as fact-when in fact they are opinion.

Edit: My quotes aren't working- I'm terrible at this on my phone. My apologies if anything doesn't make sense. I read and respond and sometimes you all have moved on to another thought LOL


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RBBM, I totally agree to this. That is why I am going by testimony in court of law, under oath. Either in a Pretrial Hearing or the actual Trial as my references.

 

[MsJosie]

I don't know about anyone else, but I am kind of fuming about today's testimony.

Am I hallucinating, or did I just have to sit through hours of defense cross examination asking the same questions over and over again, and expecting a different response? I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the defense really has nothing to go on if their sum total argument is baffling the jury by asking the wrong witness the wrong set of questions because they weren't the ones who analyzed the data (hint: the detectives did).

Each and every time they go back to portraying JRH as father of the year I die a little inside. Really? There's countless people out there who know that looks can be deceiving and that parents can put on a show to keep up appearances. IMO it's very possible that neither of them wanted Cooper, but neither could live with the idea of their co-workers and family viewing them as failures if they gave Cooper up for adoption. At this point, I'm beginning to believe they both planned this so they could split the insurance money and go separate ways without a baby to tie them together.

I agree....same questions over and over. I had to testify in a divorce where husband wasc aught by me removing things from the house without permission. Wife was out of town. I was asked so many times 'what size was the box the silverware was in'...even when I told the defense it was the size of your briefcase, they kept asking yhe same question using different words. I finally looked at the Judge because I was to direct all answers to him...and I said "Your honor, I do,not mean to be rude, but what part of my answer does the defense not understand?" The Judge told the defense lawyer to move on...then gave me a big grin. Sometimes I wish those testifying would say that, but murder is different then a divorce theft hearing. I just get so aggravated with the lawyers....sorry for any lawyers on here...I know it can go the other way when people keep changing their stories.

 

[arkansasmimi]

So I don't see how him seeing her is relevant to Cooper. If he told her that he wish he didn't have a kid, then I would understand. He's a cheater, that's a fact so why this witness?

ETA: maybe to show that he is sex-obsessed?

LOL well Det Stoddard set the sting up, also Stoddard testimony on this was used in the Bond Hearing. 7/3/14. Goes toward their reasons for SW on the sexting and other charges and their theory he wanted a child free life jmho.

And the underaged girl, has given testimony that RH loved Cooper. again just going by stuff entered under oath as truth.

 

[Hope4More]

I think you two are having a miscommunication. When she said :
"Thanks Mimi. It makes no sense, though. Ross would have no need for a baby seat of any kind when Cooper's away with his mother. Simply put the front facer back in his car when the baby returns. Double-switching is nonsensical imo."



When she said the BBM above, I think she was referring to when Cooper went out of state with his mother for a vacation. LH had said she 'switched' out the seats when she took him on a family visit/vacation. But if they were out of town, why would she need to put her car seat into his car at all? That makes no sense. She could have just taken the one she wanted and left the other behind.

"Switched out" doesn't necessarily mean the smaller seat was put on Ross's car. As I understand the term, it just means exchanging one thing for another, as in, Leanne took out the smaller seat and replaced it with the larger.
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Not in response to you, Katy, but to piggyback...


I can understand the pre-trial focus on Cooper's car seat, given inflammatory and inaccurate media reports, including:

--that the seat in RH's was so small Cooper's head towered 3 inches over the top, so therefore Ross must have seen Cooper, and therefore he's guilty of malice murder....

-- the straps on Cooper's seat were set on the lowest, infant settings, meaning RH set those straps on Cooper to prevent him from saving himself by alerting passer bys or somehow freeing himself, therefore RH is guilty of malice murder.


But....those inaccurate pretrial assertions have been proven misleading, irrelevant, or just plain false.

Didn't seem to matter, though , that the media (and LE) demonstrably got so much wrong about the car seat. The same discredited/disproven assertions get made over and over.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by ReadyorNot View Post
I do not think its absurd. He admitted he did not look at everything, and the prosecution is emphasizing that. Just like an officer or witness who was potentially too overcome with emotion at the scene because a child is lying dead on the ground did not make note of a smell. If a smell existed and they didnt notice it, it doesnt mean it was not present.

I wasn't there and can't smell that great anyway, but when I try to imagine myself at the scene that day, imaging ambulance taking Cooper away, I would guess examiner and detectives, etc stayed on the scene a few hours. I would guess Ross' car stayed on scene a few hours. When no one mentioned bad smell or decomp smell in their reports...until approx 12 months later. Seems just a little fishy. If there were 6-10 LE people around the scene for that much time with no mention of smell.
I would think it would be in the LE general conversation after Ross was hauled off and Cooper taken away in ambulance. I feel strongly someone would have mentioned to some other LE "I knew it was wasn't good as I walked up to the scene, I could smell"..... or," I knew it wasn't good when I smelled the car." And if I was LE I dont think I could omit smell from my report because I would know it was a huge important factor. LE was trying to determine if Ross knew or didnt know time of Cooper death. I feel it would have been mentioned several times "He had to have known the baby was in the car. The smell would have told him" But not one person reports smell.

Agree! And Lt Ferrell, who is now a Captain, who was over the flipping case as supervisor, did not even do a report for over a year! And Def got him to explain why... he had so much other stuff going on... yes it was important... Kilgore.. you just forgot? Ferrell YES...OH and he only remembered to do the report after Stoddard asked/reminded him to. THAT when put in report about smelling at scene. And then Stoddard "smelled" it hours later during the SW of the car.

 

[yupikgirl]

No offense taken. I am just going on what has been presented in testimony and the autopsy report.

Per the car seat manual cooper was too big for the seat. That is a fact. Whatever measurements given today (rump to shoulders etc) don't matter. He was in a seat for an infant and he was too big for it per the car seat manual. There are plenty of rear facing seats for TODDLERS that he would have fit in properly. My children rear faced up to age 3 with plenty of room in a proper seat.




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[Hope4More]

The prostitute shows he led a life different from what his friends, family and co-workers saw. moo


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Actually, apparently RH told fellow church goers more than once of his struggle with sex-stuff outside his marriage, and asked them to pray for him.

The State's assertion of RH leading a double life will fall more than a tad flat if the defense calls any of those peeps to the stand.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by HappyAsALark View Post
she's been subpoenaed, correct? i think that heifer will still be sympathetic to him

Does anyone know if the wife testifies for the defense, can the prosecution bring in the recordings from her 1st visit with JRH and question her about the conversation they had? Can they show the video to the jurors?

In OS, Kilgore made reference to her and stated that if the State did not call her, then the Defense would. SO we do not know if the State is but one would THINK they would, or as a juror I would think they would. JMHO Either way she will be there by subpoena, if we are to believe Kilgore's words, and JMHO I do.

 

[yupikgirl]

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