Trial - Ross Harris #3

[arkansasmimi]

I don't think that those are the same charges as this case, but now you have me confused.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-charged-lewd-photos-minors-article-1.2553381

They are the only ones on the Court docket and on the CCSO lol

 

[JudyBolton]

What great dad? Maybe not a "great" dad, but a dad who loved to the best of his ability, a tired dad, depressed about not advancing at work, not finding intimacy in his marriage, maybe an immature man, and one who perhaps doesn't always use the perfect words to express how he feels, but who that day sitting at CFA was thinking, perhaps, of an argument he had the night before with Leanna about his going to a movie with friends, which was imo his focus in the whisper thing exchange, and who meant "break," not "escape," and who made it crystal clear, as he had for over a year, that Cooper wasn't the problem, his marriage was.

And as much as you know I greatly respect your opinion, on this one we may disagree, because imo, I find it reprehensible the depths the State has sunk to in this case to deny RH a fair trial, including lies, more lies, and relentless character assassination.

Boy, talk about putting something in the best light possible! IF ONLY Leanna had allowed him to go to the movie, Cooper might still be alive?

If someone's character can be assasinated by their own words and actions then how is that an "assasination"?

I guess you've figured out we disagree about JRH. (still respect everyone's opinion, yours included!!!) :loveyou:

 

[arkansasmimi]

I don't think that those are the same charges as this case, but now you have me confused.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-charged-lewd-photos-minors-article-1.2553381

OH NO, I thought the Lawyers name was Ludwig lol Yikes its Limpkin per that article. I feel bad now :blush:

 

[katydid23]

This is all necessary, IMO. If the state puts on 4 sexting witnesses but reads sexting messages from 10, people want to know why they didn't bring in all 10. IMO

I think these texts, sexts emails, phone calls, 800+ , Craigslist personal ads, escort services, Backpage etc. - show Ross was quite skilled at multi-tasking. He had also managed to keep his son alive until he made the choice to kill him by leaving him in the car to die. moo




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I agree.

And I think it is important to show how totally out of control he was. I don't think the jury would be upset if he was just having an affair or he was sexting a co-worker. But the totality of his situation was overwhelming. He was literally obsessed and addicted to this high risk sexual behavior. It was taking over his life---sexting until 3 am and starting up again at 5 am? That is just nuts.

I think it is vital for the State to show how messy and sloppy his addiction had become---sexting minors, hooking up with strangers in his own home, meeting a man while on vacation, scanning craigslist and back page, numerous random women from Whisper and Kik-----It ALL goes to paint a picture of a man who was going downhill fast.

If the jury is going to accept the possibility that he purposely killed his son, they have to be shown what was going on in his life during this time.

 

[just the facts pls]

A show of hands - who else is annoyed that JRH kept telling women to leave their marriages (even if they had kids!) and wouldn't take his own damn advice?

As far as JRH being shamed - well that's just rich after all the comments posted about the barely legal teenagers he targeted, including the use of their full names so that anyone can Google them and learn about their embarrassing mistakes.

First and foremost, JRH was a married man who knew better. He took vows and signed a legal contract, it was his responsibility to either fulfill his end of the bargain or sue for divorce. Most people understand that being married or having a serious relationship means staying faithful and not cheating. Most would also agree that if someone is so unhappy that they are going to cheat, the next logical step is to either work it out, seek help, or end the relationship.

Today we learned that JRH and LH had gone to marriage counseling, but apparently it didn't help. JRH also said that he deserved to be divorced. I'm not understanding his reasoning that he's staying for Cooper. I don't think he says those things because has Cooper's best interests at heart. I think JRH has JRH's best interests at heart, including protecting his own finances/lifestyle choice to be a thirty year old pervert.

A loving father would do everything they can to provide a healthy and stable environment for his child to grow up in - even if it means getting a divorce and getting his own place. A loving father doesn't spend money on prostitutes and not on a new forward facing car seat for his growing toddler. A loving father doesn't take time away from his son to get a on the side of the road from barely legal teenagers. A loving father grows up, takes responsibility, and behaves constructively about the problems of his life rather than causing chaos in his own home.

 

[just the facts pls]

Boy, talk about putting something in the best light possible! IF ONLY Leanna had allowed him to go to the movie, Cooper might still be alive?

If someone's character can be assasinated by their own words and actions then how is that an "assasination"?

I guess you've figured out we disagree about JRH. (still respect everyone's opinion, yours included!!!) :loveyou:

BBM. There is no character assassination when it's the truth being told.

And yeah, for anyone to suggest that Cooper would be alive if only LH had been more of a doormat than she already was is just insulting. Didn't she already apologize for everything in text messages even when something wasn't her fault? I guess that wasn't enough, she should apologize for simply being alive.

JRH chose to forego his personal needs when he chose to get married and have a kid. JRH (and a lot of people, apparently) seem to have a hard time understanding that making those huge life choices will not always be pleasant or requires self-sacrifice.

 

[katydid23]

What great dad? Maybe not a "great" dad, but a dad who loved to the best of his ability, a tired dad, depressed about not advancing at work, not finding intimacy in his marriage, maybe an immature man, and one who perhaps doesn't always use the perfect words to express how he feels, but who that day sitting at CFA was thinking, perhaps, of an argument he had the night before with Leanna about his going to a movie with friends, which was imo his focus in the whisper thing exchange, and who meant "break," not "escape," and who made it crystal clear, as he had for over a year, that Cooper wasn't the problem, his marriage was.

And as much as you know I greatly respect your opinion, on this one we may disagree, because imo, I find it reprehensible the depths the State has sunk to in this case to deny RH a fair trial, including lies, more lies, and relentless character assassination.

Well, that sure seems like a description of Ross, while wearing rose colored glasses. A tired Dad? If he didn't stay up sexting strangers until 3 am, and then start up again at 5, he wouldn't be so tired.

Depressed about not 'advancing' at work. I am surprised that he still had the job at all. It didn't seem like he got much work done. He certainly didn't try very hard or apply himself.

Not 'finding' intimacy in his marriage? While his wife and son were laying asleep next to him, he's sexting minors. Thats not his wifes fault, imo. And after seeing how devoted and supportive she was , even after his deadly mistake, I was shocked. She gave her husband unconditional love it seems. Not many men would get such instant support and understanding after leaving their baby on a hot car. Mine wouldn't have.

I disagree with your 'rose-colored' assessment of his texts that morning. He said 'escape' -not break. It was not just about his trip to the movies. As he said, 'the joker' sucked away a lot of his paycheck. That seems to be the heart of the matter.

And Cooper was the problem, it was not just the marriage. As he said countless times, he would never divorce her as long as Cooper was around.

I know that it seems tedious the way Boring is being so boring with all the details. But important things came out each day. JMO :cow:

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I also think he readily admits to being (unhappily) married so these sexting "friends" won't expect a relationship. Nothing outside of the sexting, quickies on his and Leanna's COUCH (I hope she burned it) parking lot hook-ups and back road BJ's etc. MOO



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[MsJosie]

Every time I try to open this thread on my computer it goes straight to an advertisement. It won't open the websleuths site


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Hope this makes it from my ipad...since the hacking the other day... I cannot type more then 3 sentences and the page reloads every 3 minutes do to an error.....calling Apple tomorrow. Also happens on another site....grrrrr.

 

[just the facts pls]

I also think he readily admits to being (unhappily) married so these sexting "friends" won't expect a relationship. Nothing outside of the sexting, quickies on his and Leanna's COUCH (I hope she burned it) parking lot hook-ups and back road BJ's etc. MOO

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That couch should be sprayed with disinfectant, sprinkled with holy water, then donated to a local mosh pit where it can be set on fire so people can dance around it.

 

[just the facts pls]

Well, that sure seems like a description of Ross, while wearing rose colored glasses. A tired Dad? If he didn't stay up sexting strangers until 3 am, and then start up again at 5, he wouldn't be so tired.

Depressed about not 'advancing' at work. I am surprised that he still had the job at all. It didn't seem like he got much work done. He certainly didn't try very hard or apply himself.

Not 'finding' intimacy in his marriage? While his wife and son were laying asleep next to him, he's sexting minors. Thats not his wifes fault, imo. And after seeing how devoted and supportive she was , even after his deadly mistake, I was shocked. She gave her husband unconditional love it seems. Not many men would get such instant support and understanding after leaving their baby on a hot car. Mine wouldn't have.

I disagree with your 'rose-colored' assessment of his texts that morning. He said 'escape' -not break. It was not just about his trip to the movies. As he said, 'the joker' sucked away a lot of his paycheck. That seems to be the heart of the matter.

And Cooper was the problem, it was not just the marriage. As he said countless times, he would never divorce her as long as Cooper was around.

I know that it seems tedious the way Boring is being so boring with all the details. But important things came out each day. JMO :cow:

BBM. From where I'm sitting, there is no defense of JRH when he took time, money, and attention from Cooper while he was out pursuing so many extracurricular interests.

JRH is not any different than any other parent out there. All parents struggle with issues but not all parents consistently put themselves above their kids every time. I'm betting a good amount of parents are so busy working and parenting that they go home and crash into bed rather than check their burner phone for illicit text messages. JRH is lonely, depressed, wants his needs filled, and is unhappy with life? Welcome to the club JRH, that sort of describes half the American population.

JRH was presenting himself as this wonderful father to everyone else but in private he treated Cooper like a pain in the butt. A "drain of finances" as well. In text messages JRH repeatedly complained to his wife about every little thing. Things that most parents don't even think about. Your kid farts? It's funny, kind of gross, but life goes on because you've changed diapers ten thousand times. Shorts not fitting? Welp, time to sort through the baby's clothes again. Most parents I've met don't even think about these things much less complain about them.

 

[Hope4More]

Well, that sure seems like a description of Ross, while wearing rose colored glasses. A tired Dad? If he didn't stay up sexting strangers until 3 am, and then start up again at 5, he wouldn't be so tired.

Depressed about not 'advancing' at work. I am surprised that he still had the job at all. It didn't seem like he got much work done. He certainly didn't try very hard or apply himself.

Not 'finding' intimacy in his marriage? While his wife and son were laying asleep next to him, he's sexting minors. Thats not his wifes fault, imo. And after seeing how devoted and supportive she was , even after his deadly mistake, I was shocked. She gave her husband unconditional love it seems. Not many men would get such instant support and understanding after leaving their baby on a hot car. Mine wouldn't have.

I disagree with your 'rose-colored' assessment of his texts that morning. He said 'escape' -not break. It was not just about his trip to the movies. As he said, 'the joker' sucked away a lot of his paycheck. That seems to be the heart of the matter.

And Cooper was the problem, it was not just the marriage. As he said countless times, he would never divorce her as long as Cooper was around.

I know that it seems tedious the way Boring is being so boring with all the details. But important things came out each day. JMO :cow:

What you term "rose colored glasses" I call an considered opinion, based on paying close attention to the evidence (and lack thereof). I'm comfortable with my analysis and interpretations. I'm uncomfortable with a legal trial being conducted and viewed as a morality play.

 

[IBsleuthin]

Not true at all---I was born and raised in North Dakota and have lived here my whole life. Minus 30 degrees is considered cold and especially bad. If the wind is blowing, it's considered lethal to be outside. When conditions are as such, the weather report will sometimes give 'exposure time' meaning how many minutes you can survive outside before any exposed skin freezes when taking into consideration the temperature and velocity of the wind. The wind chill has no effect on the interior of a car.

On a more positive note, I'm 115 years old and I look like I'm 29. We're all well preserved here.

(The borders are open in North Dakota...you might want to consider getting out once and awhile).

 

[IBsleuthin]

What you term "rose colored glasses" I call an considered opinion, based on paying close attention to the evidence (and lack thereof). I'm comfortable with my analysis and interpretations. I'm uncomfortable with a legal trial being conducted and viewed as a morality play.

But; don't you think that is where the legal system and the 'lay' person always conflict? I was recently involved in a court case where a very wealthy business person had been taking advantage of a situation and it was illegal. In court the plaintiffs did not understand the legal system and as a result became very upset.

It is VERY difficult to view a legal proceeding as merely a function of the law. That is where most people struggle. "It just isn't fair!" I find legal proceedings exceedingly angering.

The wealthy business person in this case was able to afford a very expensive lawyer who systematically dismantled the case on loop holes and small flaws in service ect...of course the judge went along with it because the fact is, it's all about procedure and following the letter.

It is precisely for this reason that we continually have to update and create new laws. Because something like this happens and you take them to court only to find out there isn't much in the books to nail them to the wall.

 

[katydid23]

What you term "rose colored glasses" I call an considered opinion, based on paying close attention to the evidence (and lack thereof). I'm comfortable with my analysis and interpretations. I'm uncomfortable with a legal trial being conducted and viewed as a morality play.

But morality should come into play IF one is wondering if the defendant is potentially a very cruel person.


noun
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
synonyms: ethics, rights and wrongs, ethicality More
a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person or society.
plural noun: moralities
"a bourgeois morality"
the extent to which an action is right or wrong.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Is anyone posting tweets? Is the trial still running?

finishing off the day...

"Let's start with the Whisper app. Were you able to verify that he used an application called Whisper on his phone?" Boring asked. Stoddard says yes, describing the Whisper app enables users to "put your secret thoughts out there."

He talks about the image on Harris's phone from a Whisper conversation that said the writer, identified as "Always in my feelings," hated being married. Early on, Stoddard says, investigators didn't know whether Harris wrote the message or simply downloaded it from someone else.

He explains that at length, investigators concluded that Harris didn't write the post but that he viewed it on the morning Cooper died.

Stoddard says another examination of the phone later on yielded much more data on the Whisper conversation and also on communication between Harris and his wife, Leanna.

Boring hands him a set of records of those communications.

On May 9, Harris and his wife talk about Harris's appoication for a job at Chick-fil-A and how Harris says he hasn't heard anything about the job and is worried about it. On May 12, Leanna texts before 8 a.m., "Call me ASAP." She evidently had driven off with the car seat they used to transport Cooper. In subsequent texts, Ross told Leanna he was in a bad mood. "I'm sorry, it's my fault," Leanna said, according to Stoddard. "No it's not. It's just how I'm feeling today. ... No go at Chick-fil-A," Harris replied.

Stoddard then recounts texts regarding a planned trip to Tybee Island over Memorial Day. They argue about whether Cooper should come along.

Boring asks what Harris told his wife about where he was going on May 31, a Saturday, the day he planned to meet a prostitute.

Leanna asks him what the code for the pool at their apartment complex is. He messages it back, and she responds, "Yay!"

At about 2 p.m., Harris texts that he has finished helping a friend move and she asks when he will be home, saying it's no fun spending the day by herself. They discuss what they will have for dinner.

At 5:30, Harris texts that he's leaving the store, having picked up the ingredients for supper.

Boring and Stoddard discuss a phone number Stoddard found on Harris's phone. Stoddard says the number belongs to a prostitute, and Boring points out that Harris placed three calls to the woman shortly after he and Leanna had texted back and forth about dinner and about her missing him. He said the calls came at 4:51, 5:10 and 5:14 p.m.

Boring tries to enter into evidence a conversation on Whisper between Harris and another party. Kilgore objects. Judge overrules.

Harris was messaging with a female on Whisper even as Harris was playing the guitar at his church. Harris said, "I'm really horny." To which the female, identified as Keke, responds, "In church!!" Then they have a conversation about whether Keke is underage and whether Harris could go to jail for meeting with her or exchanging photos with her.

He says, "I know it's not good, but I'm addicted to sex."

She says, "You plan on getting married."

He says, "I'm married."

She asks him whether he has children.

He replies, "One kid."

He then talks about his anatomy.

"Why don't you just divorce your wife?"

He responds, "Kid." And then says, "It's just sex."

There follows an exceptionally damaging series of exchanges between Harris and numerous women on Kik or Whisper. Boring introduces each and asks Stoddard how Harris responds. According to Stoddard:

Harris tells one he is addicted to sex. He tells another he "hates being married sometimes, too." He tells another he misses being single. He tells another that "my wife should divorce me." He tells another "sometimes I want to be unmarried." He tells another, on May 19, 2014, "Wish I was single." That was a month before Cooper's death. He tells another, on May 23, "I settled down. Kinda regret it." He tells another on May 28, "I'm a bit miserable, too . . . No sex (in my relationship). You?" He tells another, on March 14, "I'm tired of living with my wife sometimes, lol." He tells another in January 2014, "I miss being single. ... I just want to (expletive) a lot of girls, drink a lot and have fun." He tells another in February, "You don't need a baby. It's not easy, and expensive. . . . I love my son, but that joker drains my paycheck." He tells another, in February 2014, "I have sex with strangers to block out a lot of my pain. ... I like it with strangers." He tells another "I have a sex addiction I've acted on. I kind of regret that."

In every case, Kilgore objects to admitting that particular piece of evidence, and in every case, Staley Clark overrules him. At one point, the objection and overruling become so routine that Kilgore simply says, "Same." And Staley Clark says, "Same."

Harris, meanwhile, spends most of this time with his eyes downcast at the table in front of him, occasionally holding his face in his hand.

http://www.ajc.com/news/minute-minu...Q0lopONPoeTDK/?icmp=AJC_102416eveningdigest01

 

[matou]

Thank you so much JerseyGirl! xo

 

[katydid23]

There follows an exceptionally damaging series of exchanges between Harris and numerous women on Kik or Whisper. Boring introduces each and asks Stoddard how Harris responds. According to Stoddard:

Harris tells one he is addicted to sex. He tells another he "hates being married sometimes, too." He tells another he misses being single. He tells another that "my wife should divorce me." He tells another "sometimes I want to be unmarried." He tells another, on May 19, 2014, "Wish I was single." That was a month before Cooper's death. He tells another, on May 23, "I settled down. Kinda regret it." He tells another on May 28, "I'm a bit miserable, too . . . No sex (in my relationship). You?" He tells another, on March 14, "I'm tired of living with my wife sometimes, lol." He tells another in January 2014, "I miss being single. ... I just want to (expletive) a lot of girls, drink a lot and have fun." He tells another in February, "You don't need a baby. It's not easy, and expensive. . . . I love my son, but that joker drains my paycheck." He tells another, in February 2014, "I have sex with strangers to block out a lot of my pain. ... I like it with strangers." He tells another "I have a sex addiction I've acted on. I kind of regret that."
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I think this is incredibly damaging info for the defense. And I totally disagree that the State was amiss for trying to bring it out for the jury to see for themselves. Ross was very unhappy with his family life. And he was totally out of control, depressed, fatigued and frustrated on the day he 'forgot' his baby in the car.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Stoddard testimony and Greg Sanders from HD Security doesnt match up on some things. One especially being" RH did not bend down a bit"as Stoddard testified. Also the portion of the video where RH is walking back to the building at lunch. Where the person walks buy and RH appears on the phone. Sanders testified no RH did not turn his head, was either looking at phone or ground. LOL Stoddard, well he couldn't tell and said of the video "it is what it is" Boring in leading got him to say something else, and Def Objected but the Judge overruled. :facepalm: And the times in parking lot varies too.

 

[arkansasmimi]

There follows an exceptionally damaging series of exchanges between Harris and numerous women on Kik or Whisper. Boring introduces each and asks Stoddard how Harris responds. According to Stoddard:

Harris tells one he is addicted to sex. He tells another he "hates being married sometimes, too." He tells another he misses being single. He tells another that "my wife should divorce me." He tells another "sometimes I want to be unmarried." He tells another, on May 19, 2014, "Wish I was single." That was a month before Cooper's death. He tells another, on May 23, "I settled down. Kinda regret it." He tells another on May 28, "I'm a bit miserable, too . . . No sex (in my relationship). You?" He tells another, on March 14, "I'm tired of living with my wife sometimes, lol." He tells another in January 2014, "I miss being single. ... I just want to (expletive) a lot of girls, drink a lot and have fun." He tells another in February, "You don't need a baby. It's not easy, and expensive. . . . I love my son, but that joker drains my paycheck." He tells another, in February 2014, "I have sex with strangers to block out a lot of my pain. ... I like it with strangers." He tells another "I have a sex addiction I've acted on. I kind of regret that."
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I think this is incredibly damaging info for the defense. And I totally disagree that the State was amiss for trying to bring it out for the jury to see for themselves. Ross was very unhappy with his family life. And he was totally out of control, depressed, fatigued and frustrated on the day he 'forgot' his baby in the car.

I was reading over some of my notes (looking for the time of when Boring asked a witness if someone say xx time is xx it wrong) Any way, When Kilgore was doing Cross on JM, Boring object a couple times iirc, but I know at one point he asked Kilgore if he was going to read all the texts. Which he did. Makes me wonder if some of today was a bit of payback for that? :thinking: