Trial - Ross Harris #3

[Hope4More]

Kilgore is now discussing the security footage at the Home Depot Treehouse office where Harris worked.

Harris had every reason in the world to know that the parking lot was monitored by video cameras, Kilgore said. Yes, Stoddard responded.

There were two parking spaces available along a wood line that would have made it more difficult for people to see inside the car. Harris though did not park there.

“He had the opportunity to do that … and he didn’t do that did he?” Kilgore said.

Court breaks for lunch.

He knew there were surveillance cameras in that part of the lot. He didn't choose a more secluded parking spot. He parked in the shade, and under a tree. He kept his door open for 16 seconds after he parked. Someone walked right by the driver's side about 5 minutes after he parked and saw nothing. Kilgore was about to show a video of someone else walking by the car about 10 minutes after he parked, and obviously neither passerby heard or saw Cooper. Maybe there are videos of even more peeps walking by without hearing Cooper.

What a poorly planned murder all around, eh? And, Kilgore is surely going to use unaware passers by to argue the possibility Cooper was sound asleep in that car.

 

[Inthedetails]

I wonder if having the church pray for him made JRH feel like 'well ive done what I have to do, if I keep doing it means the prayers aren't working'.

Maybe, but I don't think so. I think he liked manipulating people in passive ways, and asking for prayers from earnest people while still sexting was simply grand fun for this guy. He got off on it, imo.

 

[Maisiebelle]

Maybe, but I don't think so. I think he liked manipulating people in passive ways, and asking for prayers from earnest people while still sexting was simply grand fun for this guy. He got off on it, imo.

If thats the case I don't like it at all. Church people are genuine and want to help. What a way to treat them.

 

[GA_Peach]

OMG on Kilgore, Stoddard, and the call log to Little Aprons. The snark! The extended review of the logs by Stoddard, as minutes ticked by; the explanation for what happens if one doesn't punch in the numbers to forward ( "you just sit there"); the smack down of Stoddard's slimy insinuations about Ms. Gray; the 4:27 RH already retained, so he didn't wait for 6 minutes on the phone in any case.

The 6 minutes explained, and the State caught in another really despicable , excuse me, lie, especially given their beating up on Ms. Gray.

And , sure, Stoddard has never heard the term "confirmation bias" before.

My only issue with the possibility of Ross not entering an extension and just sitting there is that the call was routed to Toddler Room 5. If he didn't enter anything, how would the call go to Toddler Room 5? The DT at least threw out some plausible options.

ETA - I have never believed MG talked to JRH on the phone. The call is just baffling to me.

 

[Inthedetails]

He knew there were surveillance cameras in that part of the lot. He didn't choose a more secluded parking spot. He parked in the shade, and under a tree. He kept his door open for 16 seconds after he parked. Someone walked right by the driver's side about 5 minutes after he parked and saw nothing. Kilgore was about to show a video of someone else walking by the car about 10 minutes after he parked, and obviously neither passerby heard or saw Cooper. Maybe there are videos of even more peeps walking by without hearing Cooper.

The parking spot is one reason why I still hang on to the idea that Ross left Cooper there "for just a few minutes" while he checked into work. He intended to return so he parked so Cooper would be shaded. But he forgot to return.

I'm not as tightly tied to that theory as I used to be, but I'm still keeping it within reach.

jmopinion

 

[Hope4More]

Kilgore is a southern gentleman who knows you can catch more flies with honey.

:happydance:

Southern gentleman with the slightest hint of a Detective Columbo shtick, lol.

 

[Inthedetails]

If thats the case I don't like it at all. Church people are genuine and want to help. What a way to treat them.

Exactly.

 

[Bc007]

Well that's certainly a good point

This is exactly what I suspected yesterday! The teacher had no reason to lie and when Ross was asked who he spoke with he told LE no one. He hadn't lied about a thing in that interview. He was giving them even more than they asked. There would have been no reason to lie anyways. Stoddard wanted to imply RH and the teacher were having an affair which is why no one from the school emailed or inquired where Copper was that day and it didn't go his way. Them speaking for 5 minutes would have helped bolster that claim.

I feel Stoddard came off extremely bias on the stand. Not a good day for the state. He seems to only remember what he wants to and it just so so happens to be items he has stretched to fit his narrative. Actual evidence to the contrary or real investigative results he doesn't seem to recall! Unreal!!! I was praying the defense replied " what if I told you we were able to identify the women who walked by the car in the video?"

 

[JerseyGirl]

The parking spot is one reason why I still hang on to the idea that Ross left Cooper there "for just a few minutes" while he checked into work. He intended to return so he parked so Cooper would be shaded. But he forgot to return.

I'm not as tightly tied to that theory as I used to be, but I'm still keeping it within reach.

jmopinion

He pointed that out in his interrogation, that he parked under a tree (hoping that would convince the investigators that leaving Cooper in the car was "an accident". The way he offered that information sounded pre-meditated, that he did it because it wouldn't look obvious. MOO!

 

[Hope4More]

My only issue with the possibility of Ross not entering an extension and just sitting there is that the call was routed to Toddler Room 5. If he didn't enter anything, how would the call go to Toddler Room 5? The DT at least threw out some plausible options.

ETA - I have never believed MG talked to JRH on the phone. The call is just baffling to me.

Whatever happened, I think the main points are:

-- RH couldn't have been waiting OR talking on the phone for 6 minutes because he was detained during those 6 minutes and the phone was taken from him as he was cuffed.

Timeline- LE was on the scene by 4:21, iirc, and RH was detained very few minutes later. The call time was 4:27.

-- the State had those call logs and knew that RH wasn't on the phone for 6 minutes, if he made that call at all, but went after Ms. Gray anyway, and persisted with this excuse me, lie, at trial.

I'm thinking the jury will remember teary Ms Gray on the stand, and her testimony about how hard she tried to convince an unrelenting Stoddard that she had NOT spoken to RH and had no reason to lie. I know I do.

 

[Maisiebelle]

Det Stoddard appears to be enjoying his 15 minutes of fame.

 

[Bc007]

My only issue with the possibility of Ross not entering an extension and just sitting there is that the call was routed to Toddler Room 5. If he didn't enter anything, how would the call go to Toddler Room 5? The DT at least threw out some plausible options.

ETA - I have never believed MG talked to JRH on the phone. The call is just baffling to me.

It is also
Possibly the defense is just laying the ground work until it's their turn and they can call an expert whiteness who can clear it up and expose it as a quick assumption Stoddard made when and never bothered to review the call log and record close enough to determine what actually happened. He seems to have done that often. He rushed through a lot it seems because he was 100% convinced RH was guilty right out of the gate and it has shown through out this trial.

 

[justkk]

And later in the interview, he remembered the password and gave it to Stoddard.

Yes this is what I remember. I posted about this earlier because I thought it was crazy he said he didn't remember his phone password at first. ALL those details he rattled off during the interview, but his phone passcode (a phone that was practically embedded in his hand given what we've heard!) that even with biometrics he'd have to enter the code quite often, THAT he couldn't remember.
I think he panicked (of course he would) and said he didn't know. Then after realizing (while he was alone in the room) that it probably sounded suspicious to not know his phone password, he gave it up when he was asked again later.
JMO.


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[Maisiebelle]

Is child cruelty based on the parent knowing they are neglecting the child or can it be by accident?

 

[rob]

MULTIPLE things happened during that particular day that should have reminded him, but yet he didn't remember. Is he really that distracted and unable to remember?? It's not like the day was full of a huge work load - he spent the day encountering many reminders of his child.

I don't get it.

If you were wanting to get rid of your child, but be looked at as the poor father that horrifficly (?) lost their child, maybe you would speak of him often, in sweet loving ways, to confirm that you did in fact love that child, so that if they were asked, they would reply, he spoke of C often and with love.
MOO

 

[katydid23]

Boring presents notes taken on an app called Evernote. It has written on it “Anatomy of temptation. Desire is > sin > than death.”

Boring also shows more Whisper messages Harris sent to women. Stoddard reads from one exchange on the morning of Cooper’s death after the boy had already been left in the SUV.

One person writes, “Having an extremely boring slow day. Can anyone make the day go faster?”

At 10: 46 a.m. Harris respond, “My day just started too.”

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. At 10:50 a.m. the morning of Cooper's death, Harris sent another message to a woman on Whisper about his son. He talked with her about how Cooper woke him up early that morning. During the chat, around 11:17 a.m, , Harris says, "He's awesome". Prosecutors say that message was sent not long before Harris went to lunch.

I wonder how the jury will interpret that use of the word awesome when they read the whole text exchange? Because I remember when I first saw it, I thought he was being sarcastic because he said his son woke him up really early, AWESOME.

 

[Hope4More]

Yes this is what I remember. I posted about this earlier because I thought it was crazy he said he didn't remember his phone password at first. ALL those details he rattled off during the interview, but his phone passcode (a phone that was practically embedded in his hand given what we've heard!) that even with biometrics he'd have to enter the code quite often, THAT he couldn't remember.
I think he panicked (of course he would) and said he didn't know. Then after realizing (while he was alone in the room) that it probably sounded suspicious to not know his phone password, he gave it up when he was asked again later.
JMO.


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Why would he often have to enter a password if he had a biometric sign on? And, fgs, people routinely forget info like that, especially under stress, much less under the stress of being " interviewed" by police about the extremely recent death of his son.

ETA. Another possibility, it occurs to me, is yes, he didn't want to give up the password because if it's true he did research relating to the crime of sexting with minors, he had to be a very worried man indeed that the police had his phone and wanted to search it.

IMO that fear alone would very much help help explain his attempt to play nice with Stoddard.

 

[ScotAng]

I'm also following the Carli Scott murder trial. The defence lawyer in that trial couldn't be more different to Kilgore. He is like a petulant child mixed with a yappy little dog. Kilgore is very quiet and polite.

I've never witnessed behaviour like Apo's in my life. I think he's on the spectrum, he very clearly has behavioural issues.

Kilgore is good at what he does. He gently presents while going in, for what he thinks, is the kill. I have a problem with him, though.

For one who once advocated, and prosecuted, child cruelty cases to now have a practice whose core is based on defending child molesters, sexual, and drug offences is anathema to me.

 

[Hope4More]

I wonder how the jury will interpret that use of the word awesome when they read the whole text exchange? Because I remember when I first saw it, I thought he was being sarcastic because he said his son woke him up really early, AWESOME.

"The (little) joker " seems to be the phrase RH used when he expressed irritation or whatever about Cooper. I've seen no evidence that RH has any proficiency with the art of sarcasm.

 

[justkk]

I understand - but Stoddard is deviating from his position that Ross left Cooper there deliberately.

I have not gotten to watch the cross yet, but this is a serious question - not trying to be snarky - by saying that (don't know how to attach the quote you are responding to from my phone) isn't he also essentially saying it isn't "logical" that he forgot? Therefore it was intentional?


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