Trial - Ross Harris #3

[Hope4More]

I am just going on my own experience with the same phone (I also have biometric password - my thumbprint). There are many times where your fingerprint just doesn't read (sweaty, positioned wrong, etc...) Then there are the times where on certain apps or features the phone actually says "you must enter your password" for whatever reason - I am sure someone here can be more specific to that, I just don't question it, LOL!
IMO, it would be pretty lucky that he didn't have to enter that password at least a few times a day given how much he used his phone.
Not to mention that his password was his anniversary.... So it's not just random.


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Aren't passwords to apps a matter of choice? RH is an IT guy and a man who didn't want Leanna to have access to his sexting, etc.

I'm thinking he wouldn't be as careless as many of us (guilty) and use the same password for everything?

Thanks for the info on how sweaty etc can interfere with biometric sign ons. I'm as primitive as it gets about tech stuff.

 

[minor4th]

I have not gotten to watch the cross yet, but this is a serious question - not trying to be snarky - by saying that (don't know how to attach the quote you are responding to from my phone) isn't he also essentially saying it isn't "logical" that he forgot? Therefore it was intentional?


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No, I don't believe so but at this point it's not exactly clear what the states theory is on that. I think we will have to wait for closing arguments.

 

[rob]

I want the hear the explanation of why he was calling HD, while his son is lying dead on the pavement, with other people trying to assist him.
Is he calling in for work the next day?
Why on earth would you be calling anyone if you didn't even call 911 yourself?
I might could believe LH, but even then, would you want to tell your wife on the phone, oh yeah, forget picking up our child, I mistakenly killed him today. Most people in a crisis, get someone to go to that person, cause they don't want them to be driving or get so upset that they end up causing an accident.
And in the back of the police car, should he be straining to see what is going on now? he wasn't very interested when he was outside of the car. No, he should have his head down, crying his eyes out because he realized he, HE killed his son. Not looking to see what going on, asking personal questions to the officer when she gets in the car, not telling the officers in his police jargon that there was no malicious intent.
I'm sorry, if I was on this jury, he'd be going down for this.
MOO

 

[katydid23]

So now Stoddard is basically saying that Ross forgot Cooper was in the car (as opposed to intentionally leaving him in the car). He thinks the mention of Cooper in a message "should have reminded him" that his son was in the car.

I think what he was implying was that 'IF he had left him in the car accidentally, these things should have reminded him.'

 

[Hope4More]

They aren't done yet.

jm non-legal opinion

No, but they are only a few days away from being done, after weeks of direct. Maybe they have in mind a speedy way of recapitulating weeks of testimony and applying it to to negligence rather than intent.

 

[arkansasmimi]

How so? I was distracted by typing a post lol

will get back with you on my notes from yesterday morning. Court back from lunch.

 

[Maisiebelle]

Aren't passwords to apps a matter of choice? RH is an IT guy and a man who didn't want Leanna to have access to his sexting, etc.

I'm thinking he wouldn't be as careless as many of us (guilty) and use the same password for everything?

Thanks for the info on how sweaty etc can interfere with biometric sign ons. I'm as primitive as it gets about tech stuff.

I believe Det Stoddard wanted the passcode for the actual iphone. You can use your thumb/finger print to open the phone or a passcode.

 

[minor4th]

Seriously, I cannot fathom anyone thinking they would get sympathy and compassion for your child dying because you forgot him in a hot car all day.

I have not ever seen or heard of a single person expressing sympathy or compassion towards Ross for his lapse that led to his son dying.

If a person were motivated to kill their child by a desire for sympathetic attention - this is the one way not to kill your kid.

No one feels sorry for Ross. When he was at the PD, he kept saying "everyone will hate me." Because that's how most people react to this kind of child death.

 

[arkansasmimi]

How so? I was distracted by typing a post lol

will get back with you on my notes from yesterday morning. Court back from lunch. They will be speaking about the SUV and whether RH will go. It will be discussed after the afternoon break

 

[minor4th]

But imo, if the REASON for that fatigue, is that one was sexting others, including minors, which is illegal, then couldn't that be considered criminal negligence?

No, that wouldn't be criminal negligence.

 

[minor4th]

The State needs to make it's case for each of their charges against RH. The jury isn't allowed to infer that evidence presented in support of one charge is transferable as evidence of another.

The jury will be instructed to consider each charge separately, and asked to determine if the State met it's burden of proof on each. So far, the State hasn't met that burden of proof on criminal negligence, imo, because they haven't made any connection between the evidence they've presented and the charges relating to negligence.

Please correct me, Minor, if any of that understanding is inaccurate .

They have to prove every charge, and I would guess the State thinks it has presented some evidence that it believes shows criminal negligence. We'll have to wait until rebuttal and closing arguments to find out.

Note that Kilgore did not make a motion for acquittal on any of the charges at the end of the state's case in chief. (Not that it would have been granted).

 

[minor4th]

I think what he was implying was that 'IF he had left him in the car accidentally, these things should have reminded him.'

Maybe that's what he meant, but it's not what he said.

 

[Hope4More]

I believe Det Stoddard wanted the passcode for the actual iphone. You can use your thumb/finger print to open the phone or a passcode.

Right. But I thought you were saying he would likely remember his password because he used it to open his apps?

 

[JerseyGirl]

Kilgore is showing video of the parking lot where Harris’ SUV was parked with Cooper strapped inside.

A man can be seen, walking by the car and standing behind the rear for several seconds and walks on.

Other video segments from that morning show other people walking past Harris’ car.

Stoddard said that they tried to identify several of those individuals but weren’t able to.

 

[Inthedetails]

Seriously, I cannot fathom anyone thinking they would get sympathy and compassion for your child dying because you forgot him in a hot car all day.

I have not ever seen or heard of a single person expressing sympathy or compassion towards Ross for his lapse that led to his son dying.

If a person were motivated to kill their child by a desire for sympathetic attention - this is the one way not to kill your kid.

No one feels sorry for Ross. When he was at the PD, he kept saying "everyone will hate me." Because that's how most people react to this kind of child death.

He did get lots of sympathy immediately.

And he had heard of another father who turned a similar tragedy into an opportunity to advocate about car-death risks.

I think he fully expected sympathy and attention.

jmp

 

[matou]

So I guess Cooper doesn't exist inside of the car if various people stand next to the car and don't notice him? Makes absolutely no sense to me. JMO

 

[minor4th]

Stoddard is being a little b*tch now

 

[ScotAng]

I wonder what makes a lawyer take cases like this. Could it be that they are such believers in everyone being entitled to a fair trial that they can look past the crime?

Publicity possibly. Not so sure about money as I believe the state are now picking up that tab. There will always be an element who genuinely practice/believe in those ethics.

Criminal practices that specialise in defending sleaze don't fall into that category. imo

 

[JerseyGirl]

There is another business that also uses the Home Depot parking lot.

Home Depot wasn’t able to help him. Stoddard didn’t include asking for the company’s help in trying to identify the individuals.

Kilgore asked if Stoddard talked to the business next door too that shares the lot. He did not.

It wouldn’t have been that hard to go to that business who drives a certain vehicle and when they came in, Kilgore said. That’s way too broad, Stoddard said, adding that the business didn’t have video surveillance in the lobby.

At least a few of the people in the video, walked in very close proximity to Harris’ car, almost right up next to it, Kilgore said. Yes, sir, Stoddard replied.

If there had been any noise, would they have been able to hear something? Kilgore asked.

“I think that calls for too much speculation,” Stoddard said.

 

[katydid23]

Seriously, I cannot fathom anyone thinking they would get sympathy and compassion for your child dying because you forgot him in a hot car all day.

I have not ever seen or heard of a single person expressing sympathy or compassion towards Ross for his lapse that led to his son dying.

If a person were motivated to kill their child by a desire for sympathetic attention - this is the one way not to kill your kid.

No one feels sorry for Ross. When he was at the PD, he kept saying "everyone will hate me." Because that's how most people react to this kind of child death.

But there was a petition online, asking for the police to release Ross from jail, and drop all the charges, started by the community.

https://www.change.org/p/cobb-count...inst-justin-harris-for-son-s-accidental-death

Justin Harris, The father of a 22-month-old boy left day in a car has been charged with murder and child cruelty. He is being held without bond and is currently still in jail. This is a horrible accident. The father loved his son immensely. These were very loving parents who are devastated. Justin already has to live with a punishment worse than death. Sending what's left of his family in to bankruptcy to defend him against these charges is only bringing more hardship to a family that will never recover from the loss of a child. There is nothing to indicate that the father intentionally left his child in the car, so a charge of murder is not appropriate.
Sign this petition to tell the D.A to drop the murder charges.