Trial - Ross Harris #3

[arkansasmimi]

I am not so sure about that.

Ross was a lazy, slacker type of person. I think he just goes with the flow.

I don't think he even considered that they were going to go through his phone records. I think he believed they would give him a slap on the wrist and let him go.

But that's because you already have him guilty.

 

[Hope4More]

9:44:47a
10:08:40 man behind car, pauses for few seconds behind rear of car
10:21:20
11:06:38
11:17:35
11:24:30

One thing that the Def was showing was that many people were around that veh prior to RH returning from lunch and no one noticed Cooper. Also that Stoddard/CCPD did not do a thorough investigation trying to locate any of these people. Stoddard testified that they did look for some, but couldn't tell who, or when, or what the building was next door. Testified that it was several they tried to identify. Said gave a list of times to Jeff Pardon(sp?) and Greg Sanders. Kilgore asked him what page of his report was it where he noted giving these times to those individuals and made notes. Stoddard said, he didn't do a report on that or make notes. Testified doesn't put every little detail in a report.

State seems to want to say (from the heat tests) that Cooper passed after lunch time. Defense JMHO leans prior to. Thats just my opinion. Defense may not even be attempting a time frame. But what those time say to me JMHO is that it was in an area multiple people were near and RH was not trying to hide the Cooper in the car -like backing into a spot near woods. JMHO (and on Cross with Greg Sanders, they noted times in the afternoon of people by car)

I think Kilgore was very much making the point that Cooper most likely was asleep for the entire time through the last person walking near RH's car. It defies belief that Cooper wouldn't have been crying or screaming loudly enough to be heard by someone just feet away from the car.

 

[Hope4More]

If I remember correctly the back windows are darkly tinted (?) I think. I have been taking notice lately as I walk through a Parking lot if I am looking in cars and I'm not. But even if - the window tint would make it hard to see in.
RH on the other hand was sitting inside the vehicle inches away from Cooper - I think that is what people who believe he is impossible to miss mean...

JMO



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I understand that lots of folks don't believe RH could have been unaware of Cooper while RH was in the car. The fact that so many people walked right by the car and didn't see Cooper, though, in part goes to whether or not RH "must" have seen Cooper after he exited the car, before walking away.

And BTW, RH's rear window wasn't tinted, was it?

 

[ScotAng]

But the State hasn't demonstrated, much less proven, that RH had a double life when it came to Cooper. For whatever reason, RH freely shared the fact he had a child and loved him, even sending his sexting ladies pics of Cooper. No double life there, rather, entirely consistent with his bragging about Cooper etc in his "real" life.

bbm Wow. Imagine finding out your husband had sent pictures of your child to God knows how many of his sex interests. Ain't no justification in the world for that. Ever.

 

[just the facts pls]

If I remember correctly the back windows are darkly tinted (?) I think. I have been taking notice lately as I walk through a Parking lot if I am looking in cars and I'm not. But even if - the window tint would make it hard to see in.
RH on the other hand was sitting inside the vehicle inches away from Cooper - I think that is what people who believe he is impossible to miss mean...

JMO



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Yes, I'm not sure what Kilgore is trying to prove exactly - that Cooper was asleep or that if other people didn't notice Cooper that JRH would have missed him also?

JRH didn't have an excuse to miss him, since Cooper was inches away from him and he was messaging on Whisper about his son. The only thing JRH had to do was turn to the right to reach for his briefcase to see into Cooper's car seat.

It is amazing to me that Kilgore compares the conscientiousness of other pedestrians to JRH. They aren't Cooper's father, nor did they sit in the car for thirty seconds with Cooper before getting out and shutting the door behind them. They had no reason to believe Cooper was in the car. On the other hand, JRH held him only four minutes ago at Chik-Fil-A, strapped him into his car seat, and heard him say "school." JRH was messaging about escaping his family. JRH had zero excuse to not notice Cooper, which is why I think Cooper's death was 100% intentional.

 

[katydid23]

9:44:47a
10:08:40 man behind car, pauses for few seconds behind rear of car
10:21:20
11:06:38
11:17:35
11:24:30

One thing that the Def was showing was that many people were around that veh prior to RH returning from lunch and no one noticed Cooper. Also that Stoddard/CCPD did not do a thorough investigation trying to locate any of these people. Stoddard testified that they did look for some, but couldn't tell who, or when, or what the building was next door. Testified that it was several they tried to identify. Said gave a list of times to Jeff Pardon(sp?) and Greg Sanders. Kilgore asked him what page of his report was it where he noted giving these times to those individuals and made notes. Stoddard said, he didn't do a report on that or make notes. Testified doesn't put every little detail in a report.

State seems to want to say (from the heat tests) that Cooper passed after lunch time. Defense JMHO leans prior to. Thats just my opinion. Defense may not even be attempting a time frame. But what those time say to me JMHO is that it was in an area multiple people were near and RH was not trying to hide the Cooper in the car -like backing into a spot near woods. JMHO (and on Cross with Greg Sanders, they noted times in the afternoon of people by car)

" One thing that the Def was showing was that many people were around that veh prior to RH returning from lunch and no one noticed Cooper. Also that Stoddard/CCPD did not do a thorough investigation trying to locate any of these people. "

Why would anyone walking by be expected to notice him? The windows were tinted and he was likely asleep by then. Or weak.

And why should the detectives try to find these random people passing by? I am not sure what testimony they really have to offer if they just walked by with no notice of the car?

 

[blue22]

I understand that lots of folks don't believe RH could have been unaware of Cooper while RH was in the car. The fact that so many people walked right by the car and didn't see Cooper, though, in part goes to whether or not RH "must" have seen Cooper after he exited the car, before walking away.

And BTW, RH's rear window wasn't tinted, was it?

Cooper must have been asleep and Ross didn't see him, because random people weren't peaking in cars or listening for a dying child?

 

[katydid23]

I understand that lots of folks don't believe RH could have been unaware of Cooper while RH was in the car. The fact that so many people walked right by the car and didn't see Cooper, though, in part goes to whether or not RH "must" have seen Cooper after he exited the car, before walking away.

And BTW, RH's rear window wasn't tinted, was it?

That is really a reach, imo. How would random people walking through a parking lot, past a hundred cars, be expected to notice something in the back seat, behind tinted windows?

 

[justkk]

" One thing that the Def was showing was that many people were around that veh prior to RH returning from lunch and no one noticed Cooper. Also that Stoddard/CCPD did not do a thorough investigation trying to locate any of these people. "

Why would anyone walking by be expected to notice him? The windows were tinted and he was likely asleep by then. Or weak.

And why should the detectives try to find these random people passing by? I am not sure what testimony they really have to offer if they just walked by with no notice of the car?

Correct! I think that the video clearly shows they did not see him (which does not surprise me because of exactly what you said above). What else would those people be able to testify to? I am not understanding Kilgore's rationale on this one - maybe I am missing something regarding what their statements would offer?

Eta - I hope the state mentions this on redirect about Kilgore's big "reveal" that Stoddard didn't find the unidentified parking lot walkers.
Something about what info would they provide....?

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[arkansasmimi]

My rear windows are tinted and no one can see anything in the back when they walk by.

They were factory tint.
Now here is what is tricky. The State contends that RH could see Cooper from outside. That the car seat could be seen by RH. So why not the other people that were near the car?

JMHO if were not looking in there to see Cooper, you wouldn't have a reason to glance in there.

 

[Hope4More]

" One thing that the Def was showing was that many people were around that veh prior to RH returning from lunch and no one noticed Cooper. Also that Stoddard/CCPD did not do a thorough investigation trying to locate any of these people. "

Why would anyone walking by be expected to notice him? The windows were tinted and he was likely asleep by then. Or weak.

And why should the detectives try to find these random people passing by? I am not sure what testimony they really have to offer if they just walked by with no notice of the car?

Wide awake at 9:30AM, when his daddy leaves him unexpectedly in the car, and has fallen asleep or is too weak to move by 9:44? 10:08? 10:21? With the car still in the shade?

 

[pocketaccent]

Because Cooper was asleep when peeps walked right by the car.

The State can't have it every which way. If Cooper was alive in the car at 12:45pm , as the State's scientifically unsound recreation was meant to demonstrate, then we are to believe at 11:21 Cooper was alive and awake, but wasn't screaming or crying loudly enough to be heard by someone a few feet away from the car, nor had he been any of the times folks walked by between 9:30 and 11:21.

Does that make any sense to you?

And throwing in- if Cooper in his carseat was so impossible to miss, how was it none of those people walking by saw Cooper?

I was speculating on what RH might have been thinking from his perspective. Why no one discovered Cooper all morning?, Why no urgent intercom announcement, Anything happened while at lunch?,etc. So he went out there to check out the situation out of curiosity.
(I'm assuming he wanted someone else to find Cooper)

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Cooper was awake and thrashing around enough to scratch his face trying to get out of his OUTGROWN infant seat.


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[katydid23]

But that's because you already have him guilty.

I am not agreeing with you that my beliefs about him come from me 'already have him guilty.'

It is the other way around.

I said he was a slacker and he thought he would get a slap on the wrist because of other pieces of evidence, WHICH THEN led me to believe he is guilty.

I am not convinced he did this intentionally....it is possible though.


But I am convinced that he was recklessly negligent.

 

[arkansasmimi]

If I remember correctly the back windows are darkly tinted (?) I think. I have been taking notice lately as I walk through a Parking lot if I am looking in cars and I'm not. But even if - the window tint would make it hard to see in.
RH on the other hand was sitting inside the vehicle inches away from Cooper - I think that is what people who believe he is impossible to miss mean...

JMO



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State contends and has asked witnesses if car seat could be seen through the windows, answer yes. CSI Shumpert photos, you can see clouds in the window reflection and his testimony it was overcast. That's all I know.

 

[blue22]

They were factory tint.
Now here is what is tricky. The State contends that RH could see Cooper from outside. That the car seat could be seen by RH. So why not the other people that were near the car?

JMHO if were not looking in there to see Cooper, you wouldn't have a reason to glance in there.

Yes.

It's obvious from the video, that people did not see Cooper, because they were not looking in the car. They were not even walking up to the car with their eyes on it.

 

[katydid23]

Wide awake at 9:30AM, when his daddy leaves him unexpectedly in the car, and has fallen asleep or is too weak to move by 9:44? 10:08? 10:21? With the car still in the shade?

Shade does not prevent a closed up car from getting hot and stuffy. When it is very warm babies tend to sleep.

 

[ERRN1313]

Not only were the windows tinted, but the carseat was in the middle of the seat, not next to a window. I have to get right up to the window cupping my hands around my eyes and look in to see anything through my tinted windows.

 

[justkk]

State contends and has asked witnesses if car seat could be seen through the windows, answer yes. CSI Shumpert photos, you can see clouds in the window reflection and his testimony it was overcast. That's all I know.

I don't know the answer to this so I am genuinely asking - do we know if the witnesses saw the car seat from the front windows or the windshield? Both of which aren't tinted. Or was it not specified which Windows witnesses saw the car seat through?


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[just the facts pls]

I am not agreeing with you that my beliefs about him come from me 'already have him guilty.'

It is the other way around.

I said he was a slacker and he thought he would get a slap on the wrist because of other pieces of evidence, WHICH THEN led me to believe he is guilty.

I am not convinced he did this intentionally....it is possible though.


But I am convinced that he was recklessly negligent.

Even if you did think he's guilty, there's still a ton of evidence admitted into a court of law to support that opinion.