Trial - Ross Harris #4

[GA_Peach]

Ouch.

 

[Bc007]

I don’t understand Forgotten Baby Syndrome, frankly, and am very much looking forward to hearing Dr. Diamond’s testimony on how it was possible for RH to have “forgotten” (or whatever) Cooper in a matter of seconds. IMO, providing a convincing enough explanation of how this could be is the biggest hurdle facing RH’s defense team.

Even if Dr. Diamond’s testimony is persuasive enough for jurors to believe it possible for RH to “forget” Cooper in those seconds, there remains, imo, this question of how it could be that RH’s memory (or whatever) wasn’t jolted by what very much seem, just using common sense, a number of cues that day that “should” have alerted RH.

Why those cues didn’t prompt RH is an entirely fair question, and one IMO Dr. Diamond will need to explain just as persuasively as RH being able to “forget” Cooper in the first place. That RH wasn’t prompted to remember (or whatever) is as counterintuitive as is his being able to forget him in the first place.

Since I am unpersuaded that RH intended to harm Cooper, at this point I’m assuming Dr. Diamond can answer those questions convincingly. If he can’t, I’ll be willing to put everything else aside (questions about the integrity of the State’s case) and reconsider the question of intent.

This is old but a condensed explanation from Diamond. I will warn the explain and trial mention is devastatingly sad.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...42be35962a52_story.html?0p19G=e?client=safari

 

[Bc007]

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Ouch.

Ouch is right! He hasn't hidden his disgust or bias in this case and that may turn off a juror. especially in the current environment as far as some people's view of LE.

 

[Bc007]

Thousands of scientists across generators have studied gravity. Thousands upon thousands of studies.

This guy has...himself. Degrees and education does not make this guys theory anything but his personal theory. I discount it, because he has marked himself the expert, and gone to no efforts to prove his theory reliably. IMO, he relies and banks on having cornered the market. Wouldn't be the first time a scientist did that.

Ross does not fit his theory, yet he's still gong to testify and will likely get paid thousands. That's suspect.

Courts all over the country have excepted his testimony as expert testimony. He didn't "deem" himself an expert.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Maddox Kilgore, lead defense attorney, resumes his cross-examination of Stoddard. He asks for a date or time when Leanna Harris was ruled out as a suspect in Cooper's death. Stoddard says she is still listed as a suspect on the police report but that she is not part of an active investigation and has been ruled out as a suspect.

"We did not find any evidence to rise to the level of probable cause" to accuse Leanna Harris.

Kilgore notes that Leanna Harris's computer, seized by police, contained thousands of family pictures, including hundreds of Cooper. He asks Stoddard whether police returned the computer to Leanna in time for Cooper's funeral.

Stoddard then says, in response to a question, that on the day Cooper died, Leanna did not show any emotion and did not ask to see her son. He says she was detained at police headquarters and acknowledges that her belongings were searched.

Kilgore: "So after you went through her stuff, you the opportunity to observe her demeanor, and your report indicated that her demeanor was calm and collected. And there's no report that you made that she was crying or had tears."
Stoddard: "That's correct."
Kilgore: "Is that why she was suspect?"

Stoddard acknowledges that was the case.

Kilgore: "She wasn't reacting the way you thought she should be reacting?"
Stoddard: "That's a very small part of the whole picture. You have to have all the pieces to know why she was considered a suspect."

Kilgore finishes his cross-examination with a "thank you" to Stoddard, and lead prosecutor Chuck Boring rises for re-direct.

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/minute-minute-the-justin-ross-harris-trial-oct/zCtR2UTSpDjvLHUznmDZ7H/

 

[Hope4More]

This is old but a condensed explanation from Diamond. I will warn the explain and trial mention is devastatingly sad.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...42be35962a52_story.html?0p19G=e?client=safari

Thanks, and thanks for the warning.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Boring leads Stoddard through a series of questions concerning issues raised by the defense during Stoddard's cross. Kilgore then objects, saying that Boring is doing the testifying and just asking Stoddard to confirm the information that Boring presents. The judge asks the prosecutor to avoid asking leading questions but says she did not find the question that raised Kilgore's objection to be leading.

Boring turns to the question of what investigators smelled at the scene. He lists several investigators and asks whether they "smelled something" -- the implication being that there was an odor at the scene, even if it was not the smell of death that Stoddard had earlier testified about. Stoddard says yes.

 

[blue22]

Why are people discounting Diamond's testimony before he has even testified? :shrug:

Quite simply, because I discount the reliability of hs theory. JMO.

 

[Hope4More]

Apparently the hearsay rules are different for the prosecution.

I have no idea why, but for some reason Boring is growing on me. Maybe it's because my irritation over Stoddard is displacing my annoyance with Boring.

He's sounding kinda belligerent to me this AM. I much prefer Kilgore's soothing, even keel approach.

 

[blue22]

Courts all over the country have excepted his testimony as expert testimony. He didn't "deem" himself an expert.

Well if that's all it takes for science to be truth...


Anyway, this is not being presented today so it's probably a distraction to current events. I'm sure there will be plenty if discussion during and after his testimony.

 

[Bc007]

The stifled laugh Boring does at the beginning of certain questions is so condescending its distracting.

 

[minor4th]

If I were on the jury, I'd be checked out now and waiting on something new

 

[JerseyGirl]

testimony:

They spend substantial time on the video Harris watched of a veterinarian talking about the dangers of locking pets inside hot cars. They reaffirm that Harris mentioned the video in the context of his son's death.

Then Boring turns to the video of Harris putting light bulbs in his car after lunch. Stoddard says he believes Harris had a clear view of Cooper in the car as Harris approached the vehicle but clarifies that Harris wouldn't have been able to see his son when he opened the door and tossed the light bulbs inside, because his head was above the frame of the car.

 

[Hope4More]

Kilgore and Stoddard stalemate on 2 times viewing vs access of video. Neither are sounding particularly endearing.

 

[minor4th]

Well if that's all it takes for science to be truth...


Anyway, this is not being presented today so it's probably a distraction to current events. I'm sure there will be plenty if discussion during and after his testimony.

There are standards that every court must adhere to in qualifying a person as an expert and allowing their testimony as an expert.

Their methods and conclusions must be reliable and generally accepted as valid within the scientific community.

Typically when it comes to experts who might be challenged, there is a hearing well in advance of trial to determine whether an expert meets the reliability and scientifically accepted standards. It's called a Daubert or Frye hearing - based on SCOTUS cases that have laid out the standards for allowing expert testimony.

If Diamond has been accepted and qualified as an expert in many trials, then he has gone through this process that many times and found by the judge in each case to be a reliable expert testifying about concepts that are generally accepted in the scientific community.

He is not some quack who just came up with an idea based on nothing and is peddling his snake oil to make a buck.

 

[arkansasmimi]

So I assume the state is bringing in a neuroscientist expert to counter Dr. D's research?

Not sure but that was what the FBI binder given to Stoddard was about. (Dr Diamond was mentioned and Hot Car Deaths)

 

[minor4th]

He's sounding kinda belligerent to me this AM. I much prefer Kilgore's soothing, even keel approach.

Yeah, I take back what I said.

 

[minor4th]

Quite simply, because I discount the reliability of hs theory. JMO.

Well that's premature if you haven't heard his testimony or had a chance to evaluate its reliability.

Seems like anticipatory confirmation bias to me.

MOO

 

[JerseyGirl]

Why wouldn't Harris have simply carried his light bulbs into the office with him, rather than pitch them into the car, Boring asks. Stoddard says he doesn't know and adds that he wouldn't throw light bulbs that he just bought.

 

[byo]

Cathy ‏@courtchatter 5m5 minutes ago

#RossHarris - Judge calls for morning recess. Stoddard still under recross.