Trial - Ross Harris #7

[JerseyGirl]

he won't stop:

There can still be lapses, however, even when factoring in the importance of a task.

“Even under the best situations and the best circumstances, there are still going to be failures,” brewer said. There’s nothing unique to this case relative to similar types of cases, he said.

There are examples of other types of situations where there have been fatal consequences.

Surgeons have left surgical instruments in patients; pilots have forgotten to put the landing gear down, Brewer said.

Cues are also important. “We’re really dependent on the environment (around us) to say now’s the time for you to behave this way,” Brewer said.

 

[SuperTmo]

Is anyone confused about the airplane analogy? I can't remember any recent news story where an airplane crashes because the landing gear wasn't put down.

Yep. This guy is a joke. I suppose along this same line of thinking, this should all be blamed on the car manufacturer or even Chicco. Nobody made an alert to remind RH to get poor baby Cooper out of the car.

 

[minor4th]

Ugh. Missed the testimony so far due to dumb old work. :tantrum:

 

[JerseyGirl]

and he continues:

An intentional cue to prevent a memory failure in this type of situation, leaving your child in a car, would be taking your shoe off and placing it with the child, Brewer said.

If you walk into an office or store or other place, every single step that you take you’re going to get feedback that’s different than the feedback you’d typically expect.

You’ll ask why is this different? Brewer said. “My shoe must be in the car.”

You might not even associate it with the child at that point, he said. “It’s giving you a backup, a Plan B.”

 

[just the facts pls]

What a quack. Background noise is an environmental condition? Ok then, it shouldn't factor in to anything that happened that day because he was in HIS car, at at HIS favorite restaurant, went to HIS office. These are all things that RH was used to. Nothing was different that day except for RH's conscious decision to go to work instead of the daycare.

I don't think he's entirely a quack but he's not explaining the crucial issues of this case at all.

 

[matou]

So he's saying photos and such may not be good cues to triggering a forgotten thing but it still is a cue. And he says that memories can just pop into mind without any cue. Also, a good "cue" would be the daycare calling and stating that a child is not there. OMG this guy....

 

[just the facts pls]

He also had lunch right by CFA within sight of LAA. Sometimes he visited Cooper while on his lunch time.

Yes!

I also edited my post to add that the biggest cue would be actually talking about Cooper right before shutting him in the car.

Since it's likely Cooper was awake in the car, there's also the cue of Cooper's voice, him moving around, the closeness of the car seat, ect.

 

[minor4th]

Is this guy just giving the theory in general or is he talking specifically about Ross?

 

[Hope4More]

He needs to talk in lay person terms. JMHO

He's trying. But sometimes researchers in academe (and elsewhere) just speak a different language that's difficult for them to translate into common speak.

 

[blue22]

I thought the defense experts were going to be very strong witnesses for them. This guy....wow. If the state handles this witness correctly, it will be bad for the defense. So far, it's obvious to me he is extreme contorting his science for the defense. It's not good look for them.

I expect their other experts to be better. I think there is a reason they called him first. Wow.

 

[SuperTmo]

he won't stop:

There can still be lapses, however, even when factoring in the importance of a task.

“Even under the best situations and the best circumstances, there are still going to be failures,” brewer said. There’s nothing unique to this case relative to similar types of cases, he said.

There are examples of other types of situations where there have been fatal consequences.

Surgeons have left surgical instruments in patients; pilots have forgotten to put the landing gear down, Brewer said.

Cues are also important. “We’re really dependent on the environment (around us) to say now’s the time for you to behave this way,” Brewer said.

Yes - Surgeons HAVE left tools in patients. So now what happens? They count and recount every single thing used in that OR at the start of the surgery and then they account for all of those objects before they close the body. We do this even when doing tissue recoveries on deceased organ and tissue donors. This is what happens when tragic mistakes happen... people LEARN from them and take steps to prevent them from happening again. RH heard of other car deaths and learned from that other father who lost his own kid. RH LEARNED something from past horrible outcomes but took NO STEPS to prevent his biggest fear from happening.

 

[just the facts pls]

Is he seriously comparing Cooper to a bottle of ketchup?

Nobody cares about ketchup the way they care about their kid.

The defense just put on this huge show that JRH cared about his kid and was an involved father.

So Cooper cannot be the equivalent of ketchup.

I hate that I feel smarter than this guy. I'm not supposed to. :facepalm:

 

[JerseyGirl]

testimony:

Just because you get an email about your child or talk about your child during the day that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a powerful cue to remind you about the child. You normally do those things.

 

[Poppyflower]

I'm sorry if this has already been explained or discussed but why didn't the day care call both parents and even an emergency contact when Cooper didn't come to daycare? I wish all schools and daycares would do this routinely.

 

[SuperTmo]

and he continues:

An intentional cue to prevent a memory failure in this type of situation, leaving your child in a car, would be taking your shoe off and placing it with the child, Brewer said.

If you walk into an office or store or other place, every single step that you take you’re going to get feedback that’s different than the feedback you’d typically expect.

You’ll ask why is this different? Brewer said. “My shoe must be in the car.”

You might not even associate it with the child at that point, he said. “It’s giving you a backup, a Plan B.”

Or you step out of the car and are like, "DANG that ground is HOT! Where's my shoe!" You would remember instantly. All this guy is doing is highlighting that RH was aware of this supposed danger and didn't try to save Cooper from it happening.

 

[minor4th]

This will be helpful, I can tell my husband about my attention failure why I didn't clean but thought I did.

I've been using that excuse for years lol Now you have the science to back you up

 

[just the facts pls]

testimony:

Just because you get an email about your child or talk about your child during the day that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a powerful cue to remind you about the child. You normally do those things.

I know I just posted that this guy wasn't much of a quack but I'm thinking I was wrong saying that.

 

[matou]

He's driven the route and watched the GoPro videos.

 

[JerseyGirl]

He comes with a slide show:

No one can deny he was too fatigued to keep up with the sexting all day, nor too fatigued to go to a movie after work.

 

[GA_Peach]

"A person can only hold so many things in memory at the same." So why would Ross text when Cooper is right there? The State has a huge opportunity on cross. They could deliver a dagger.

MK just reinforced the 40 second drive.