Trial - Ross Harris #7

[arkansasmimi]

I have a question.

Now Ross was a computer tech at Home Depot hq.

So what position did he apply for at Chick-fil-A?

Same thing CFA Corporate HQ is in Atlanta GA

Chick-fil-A is an American fast food restaurant chain headquartered in the Atlanta suburb of College Park, Georgia, specializing in chicken sandwiches. Wikipedia
Customer service: 1 (866) 232-2040
Headquarters: Atlanta, GA
CEO: Dan T. Cathy (Nov 2013&#8211
Founder: S. Truett Cathy
Founded: 1946, Hapeville, GA

 

[TexMex]

I missed the $375.00 I hope she was a looker or provided above avg services. I thought I heard $125.00 and still thought RH was paying too much

It was $125 three times in a month

 

[SuperTmo]

So the guy, kills his kid, screws up his marriage, screws up work.. all this stuff just so he can chat with females online, send photos. Get a bj here and there. Met a prostitute once... this isn't reality. None of it is.

:banghead:

Met with a prostitute more than once. I would imagine there were other hookers too, but she was the only one they found out about. He was crafty in terms of hiding his computer activities.

Yeah, this isn't OUR reality. We aren't mentally ill sex addicts who shirk responsibility and want out of a miserable situation, right? I'm certainly not, so I agree that it is hard to wrap my mind around, but the fact is that he DID screw up his marriage. He DID screw up at work. He DID kill his kid. All the while he carried on online affairs, sexting, etc. etc. etc.. These things are all real things that happened, so if it was not to get his wang wet, then why?

 

[katydid23]

Speaking of Project Managers, my SIL was PM, at a large firm, for the Super Dome renovation after Katrina. Although they lived in Dallas at the time, my children relocated to the NOLA area for his career with this firm. One day there was a volunteer evacuation due to an incoming hurricane. Before lunch, the staff was informed that if they had needs to take care of then, there would be an excused absence for the remainder of the afternoon. My SIL went home. He chained down outdoor furniture and fastened the outer window shutters. Then, he returned to work. Do you think his bosses noticed? You betcha they did. That November, my SIL was invited to travel as a member of the firm to the Architectural Firm of the Year convention. His firm won the prestigious title. He was allowed onstage with the rest of the Firm to accept the award. When he returned home from the trip, he was offered a position that he holds to this day. Work ethic matters.

JRHs work ethic was the pits. He abused Home Depot's generous employee policies which was jeopardizing his current employment and risking his families financial security.

So very true. My husband has 'flexible' hours. But he stays way past 5 on most nights. He would just be sitting in traffic on the 101 anyway. But he stays in the office to work on his script after most have left and it is quieter. And who notices? The bosses, who are also usually there after hours.

Ross may have thought he was slick, but his bosses knew he was slacking by coming in late and leaving early. JMO

 

[Rayemonde]

just remember Laci Peterson, murdered by the man who even her mother in law thought was a prince. Time and time again a spouse is murdered and friends and family are shocked; sometimes a man and father will murder his whole family and people are aghast because the face he presented to the world, the photos on Facebook, show a smiling normal looking person. you never know what is going on underneath the smiles.

Just because scott peterson did it, doesn't mean RH did it. They stood by him at first, but once it came out that SP had been having affairs and telling lies, Laci's family turned against him and wanted him to be found guilty of murder, and even his girlfriend contacted LE to help collect evidence to convict him. But even after they learned RH was a lying cheat who sexted with teenagers, no one who knew him thought RH was capable of intentionally murdering a child. Not even people who knew all about his dirty little secrets (the women he sexted with) thought he murdered his child on purpose.

 

[arkansasmimi]

People can be good despite multiple flaws. We are after all human.

However, in Leanna's own words, Ross's behavior destroyed her life. Ross was also responsible for the death of his only child. He was sexting with minors. Would you really say that Ross was a a good person?

People can overcome bad events in their past. However, Ross's bad behavior was part of an ongoing problem, and the consequences kept kept bigger.

Yet LH still after all that he did to her, maintains that it was an accident the reason her only child is dead. To me that gives weight.

 

[SuperTmo]

didnt they all say that about tot mom too ?

Now I'm having flashbacks of Nancy Grace shouting about TOT MOM!!!!11!!!! thanks a lot!

 

[dizzychick]

I agree with this, but I don't think it makes him a baby murderer... People who killed babies in awful ways have to be separated from the general population in prison, because even hardened criminals and murderers usually despise people who are cruel to children... And it takes an extremely cruel person to intentionally lock their baby in the car and leave him to slowly bake to death. I just haven't seen any evidence that RH is capable of that kind of evil.

I believe it was some weird sub conscience act, a perfect storm of hidden phychosis for lackof a better term. A shrink would have to explain it, wish the state had hired one ( they thik they dont need it) we shall see

 

[DexterMorgan]

Plus, Ross knew if he told people the truth about the level he'd fallen ( hookers, teenagers, glory holes) to most would have dumped him as a friend. His wife made it clear to him if she found out he had a physical relationship outside of their marriage she would leave him and take their son

Imo. Ross didn't want none of his friends courting Leanna. So he didn't mention to his friends about his sexual conquests outside of his marriage, because he didn't want his friends to think that he was leaving Leanna up for grabs.

Jmo. Ross was insecure. And he knew that bragging about his other relationships would have probably put thoughts in his friends heads about trying to sleep with his wife. Jmo

 

[dizzychick]

I missed the $375.00 I hope she was a looker or provided above avg services. I thought I heard $125.00 and still thought RH was paying too much

LOL this post cracked me up, I charged 300 in the 80's when I was in college lol

 

[SuperTmo]

Yes, it happens. So do accidents.

Of course accidents happen, but at some point you just can't keeping trying to explain away all of the coincidences and just accept that it wasn't an accident...

 

[DeDee]

:waitasec: So when did the State prove beyond a reasonable doubt that RH murdered his son? When was the premeditation? Seems like they wanting it both ways on some things. I bet the jury is scratching their head at times.

Did anyone else see Evans lean his head back and look at the ceiling this morning. I find it interesting watching them. They cover their face, Boring puts his face in his hands with elbows on table. Or when Evans gets pissed, Lumpkin doesn't let his ruffled feathers show like the rest do. Rodriguez is diff too. Pretty interesting. JMHO Just glad they aren't acting like Jeff Ashton and his laughing.

I noticed that Kilgore checks out his manicured nails during cross. Kilgore dresses quite well, imo, although I didn't care for the white tie yesterday b/c it is fall and seemed out of season. One day he wore those fabulous lapis lazuli cuff links that I adored. JRH has definitely been issued the privilege of a well-paid, well-qualified Defense Team.

 

[blue22]

I believe humans are too multidimensional to be characterized by only their flaws. I have friends with DUIs, problems with drugs, etc. I can still say they are good people despite that.

No one is saying he is a good husband, so your example doesn't really fit, IMO.

Did any of them end up with a dead child, while in their care?

His kid died. He was arrested. His life has been combed over. He is on trial and doesn't have the luxury of being "multi-dimensional" by default. He is on trial, because he did not protect his child...whether by accident, negligence, or malice. A trial is not a reflection of everyday life.

I also believe that people can have done bad tings and still be good. I also believe people can do good things, and still be inherently bad.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Same thing CFA Corporate HQ is in Atlanta GA

Chick-fil-A is an American fast food restaurant chain headquartered in the Atlanta suburb of College Park, Georgia, specializing in chicken sandwiches. Wikipedia
Customer service: 1 (866) 232-2040
Headquarters: Atlanta, GA
CEO: Dan T. Cathy (Nov 2013&#8211
Founder: S. Truett Cathy
Founded: 1946, Hapeville, GA

Thanks Ark.

Now that makes sense. Because I was going crazy with thinking why would Ross want to work at a fast food place as a regular cook or something.

But thanks for the clarification.

 

[matou]

If your premise for forgetting your child in the car is that he was sleeping, would you say the child was speaking to you before putting him in his carseat?

Probably a case of Ross "talking too much?" I think RH was embellishing his testimony to make it look like he was the world's best dad, like kissing Cooper like it would be the day of Ross's life. Who else heard Cooper say that? By the way, his premise is that he DID drop off Cooper at the daycare.

 

[Hope4More]

As do I have friends and family with flaws. We all do. But when someone is DEEPLY FLAWED, then we have to look more closely at them when major accusations are made about them.

No one is characterizing Ross by ONLY his flaws. However, it is disingenuous to pretend he is not a deeply flawed and volatile individual. He was a victim of his own negative compulsions, had very poor impulse control, and was extremely selfish. Hard to ignore that when trying to decide if he would do something very ugly to gain much wanted freedom from an unhappy marriage.

I was with you all the way up to the point of Ross much wanting freedom from his unhappy marriage. Unhappy- proven by the evidence. Wanting freedom from marriage: unproven, resting upon a few out of context exchanges with strangers he wanted to talk dirty with.

And, as one must acknowledge evidence of his flaws in order to honestly assess what he might be capable of, so must one acknowledge the EVIDENCE of what every person has testified to about his love for Cooper.

 

[just the facts pls]

Met with a prostitute more than once. I would imagine there were other hookers too, but she was the only one they found out about. He was crafty in terms of hiding his computer activities.

Yeah, this isn't OUR reality. We aren't mentally ill sex addicts who shirk responsibility and want out of a miserable situation, right? I'm certainly not, so I agree that it is hard to wrap my mind around, but the fact is that he DID screw up his marriage. He DID screw up at work. He DID kill his kid. All the while he carried on online affairs, sexting, etc. etc. etc.. These things are all real things that happened, so if it was not to get his wang wet, then why?

Right, and you aren't saying it out of nowhere. It's JRH's OWN WORDS when he is telling other people how miserable he is in his marriage, how Cooper drained his bank account, how he would have divorced if not for Cooper, how other people should not have children, and how other people should leave even if they have children (he should have taken his own advice), how he deserved to be divorced, and how he loved his son and all but "we both need escapes" and how he wants a break from it all around the same time he left Cooper in the car. JRH is practically shouting it from the rooftops that he feels trapped and disappointed in his life. It's kind of hard to miss, IMO.

 

[DaleTray]

I don't think that is what the State is implying at all. They are implying that he hated his life and wanted out of it. His ex wouldn't leave him despite is constant cheating (and I don't buy that she didn't know he went outside of the marriage because he wasn't hiding it well, if at all...). Him cheating doesn't make him capable of killing Cooper. He killed Cooper; that isn't in dispute. But either his sex issues made him want to kill Cooper because he wanted out of his unhappy marriage OR he was so consumed by his sex issues that he neglected Cooper to the point of his death on the day he "forgot" him in the car.

This has sort of been a problem for me from the beginning. I wish the state would see a crime, find supporting evidence, bring appropriate charges, then try the case.
You have listed 2 scenarios and hope one sticks. Which one is it? If the state had facts that RH intentionally planned this, charge it and proceed on that path w facts. But to charge with intentional but to hope maybe the jury will buy a 2nd scenario of, well, maybe he forgot his child with sexting. What is the 3rd option? Maybe the jury finds RH guilty of not using his turn signal? I am not trying to make light of the situation, but pick the charges and support them w evidence. I find it wishy washy to ask for one but accept the other. That indicates to me you dont have the evidence and hope for the best. I think maybe this is why they didnt severe the minor sexting charges. If they didn't add sexting minors all the sexting and philandering maybe wouldnt have been allowed in, leaving just the facts surrounding CH death. Prosec had to get all that entered to make RH sexting part of it, but maybe more importantly, it is the 3rd option of sentencing, if facts dont support a CH death conviction, sexting a minor is proven.
I know, I was all over the map and didnt express myself well. I need more coffee

 

[katydid23]

I agree with this, but I don't think it makes him a baby murderer... People who killed babies in awful ways have to be separated from the general population in prison, because even hardened criminals and murderers usually despise people who are cruel to children... And it takes an extremely cruel person to intentionally lock their baby in the car and leave him to slowly bake to death. I just haven't seen any evidence that RH is capable of that kind of evil.

It is absolutely an extreme kind of behavior. But it is also kind of a passive type of action. Like he just needs to forget him and Cooper will just pass away peacefully. He told his wife that he looked peaceful when he saw him in the car. I think that he had a pattern of denial--of ignoring and blocking things---thats how he dealt with crisis. He just ignored and deflected. And this sudden impulsive decision, to just 'forget' his son was perhaps an overwhelming urge that he could not over ride.

 

[blue22]

I believe it was some weird sub conscience act, a perfect storm of hidden phychosis for lackof a better term. A shrink would have to explain it, wish the state had hired one ( they thik they dont need it) we shall see

I think the state is better off having a very strong cross against a defense psychiatrist than hiring their own. JMO.