Trial - Ross Harris #7

[just the facts pls]

Here is an interesting article about LOVING Fathers who kill their children:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9596608/What-makes-a-father-kill-his-children.html
Almost all family annihilators are men – an estimated 95 per cent. They are usually white and often middle-aged. There’s a grim similarity in many of their stories.
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There seem to be two recurring factors. Sometimes – as in the case of the millionaire Chris Foster – the annihilation appears to be a perverse act of protection: he was facing ruin, and was unable to endure the public humiliation. In killing his family, it was as if he was saving them from the loss he couldn’t bear. It was a scorched earth policy, torching everything he possessed – unfortunately, his possessions included his beloved family. He was well-known as a devoted family man.


Dr Charles Patrick Ewing, a psychiatrist in Buffalo, New York, says that these men are, if anything, “over-invested in their families... They view their families as somehow an extension of themselves, and strive to make them fit some romanticised ideal.”

Thanks for posting this. The fact that fathers who kill their families are over-invested in their families is a chilling thought. Most people would like both parents to be involved in their kids, but not to the point of murder.

Wait, didn't the defense just put up a ton of pictures and witnesses to testify JRH was also highly invested in Cooper?

Yikes.

 

[monkeypants]

I think it's safe to say, he has now hit rock bottom and would hopefully change his behavior if he is ever allowed out of prison.

Addiction is addiction...if the person afflicted isn't ready, willing and wanting to to change, they won't. He isn't quitting because he wants to, he just has no choice.

 

[monkeypants]

I never thought I'd see the day when I would say this:

I kind of miss Nancy Grace.

*ducks for cover*

Word.

 

[minor4th]

For real. $50/hr out of court, $60/hr in court (these are the rates for Cobb specifically). I mean *I* wouldn't mind making that, but I also don't have the school debt and overhead they have lol

That is so far below what Kilgore would make for privately paying clients.

There are not many attorneys who would work for that fee - because it's not sustainable at all

 

[Hope4More]

He could have absolutely made it more likely that he forgot his son, but I think, if he did plan this, he didn't think he would be accused of anything. Just like in the video he saw (IIRC), it would be looked into briefly and then categorized as a tragic accident. To me, this could explain why he didn't wipe his phone and several other puzzling actions. It just never occurred to RH that he would be charged, so he didn't plan for that. This seemingly fits in with his personality, especially if it was planned last minute. The state didn't prove this, IMO, but it makes sense to me based on what we have learned about RH.

Ross is a man known for advising strangers on Reddit to ASSUME that LE will be gathering evidence to use against them, even in the comparatively trivial s situation of being pulled over for a DUI.

Others talk about all the coincidences one would have to believe him innocent of intent. IMO there are more compelling things one has to ignore to find him guilty of malice.

 

[just the facts pls]

What if he loses?

IMO the defense has nothing to lose if JRH gets convicted. Right now is their time to advertise their services and put on a demonstration of how they defend their clients. Even if they lose, some guy up on charges for rape might still call them because they demonstrated a willingness to gloss over JRH's behavior and put the blame on anyone else but him.

 

[minor4th]

Oh they will make $ from the exposure. Name recognition.

With Kilgore's career history, I am sure he already had a thriving and very lucrative practice. Financially, this case will hurt him more than it will benefit him.

 

[just the facts pls]

Addiction is addiction...if the person afflicted isn't ready, willing and wanting to to change, they won't. He isn't quitting because he wants to, he just has no choice.

Agree. Plus I would not let out JRH on the mere "hope" he would change his behavior.

LH wasted a decade of her life "hoping" JRH would change, and instead he got worse.

That is why we have a justice system - to keep people like JRH off the street so he doesn't harm anyone else or ruin their life too.

 

[katydid23]

But... that's about "annihilators" who killed their entire families, as in, not just their child/children, and then killed themselves. Don't see the parallel.

no, it is also about fathers who killed their children.

But the reason I posted it is because people keep saying ' Ross loved his son so much, he could never kill him.' And this article shows that MANY of the fathers that killed their children were loving devoted fathers who had never harmed them before.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I need a pic or it didn't happen

LMAO well the Det who did the "sting" shredded his picture, the mic that worked prior had "problems an stopped working" the on probation prostitute who accepted $ from undercover cop in a pot smoke filled room... copied the number exactly from said prostitutes tablet... oh what the heck if he got the number wrong... you know it happened just like they said and nothing wrong here.. move along no photos here:shame:

 

[blue22]

The Def has Dr. Bhushan Agharkar a forensic psychiatrist in Atlanta, Georgia. He received his medical degree from State University of New York Upstate Medical University and has been in practice between 11-20 years. (Google)

Yes, I knew he was on their witness list. I think it was mentioned during jury selection.

I was just commenting that a psychiatrist wouldn't really benefit the state, IMO. I don't think the state would want to suggest that a mental issue caused this. It's more valuable for them to poke holes in the narrative the defense expert presents. Totally JMO.

 

[minor4th]

Addiction is addiction...if the person afflicted isn't ready, willing and wanting to to change, they won't. He isn't quitting because he wants to, he just has no choice.

I agree. I'm just saying, I would hope that all of these consequences would be enough to motivate him to change.

 

[DaleTray]

What if he loses?

Ipersonally think he has represented himself and his firm well no matter the outcome. He seems to be making lemonade from a lemon.

 

[minor4th]

IMO the defense has nothing to lose if JRH gets convicted. Right now is their time to advertise their services and put on a demonstration of how they defend their clients. Even if they lose, some guy up on charges for rape might still call them because they demonstrated a willingness to gloss over JRH's behavior and put the blame on anyone else but him.

That might be more realistic if the defense team did not believe that JRH is actually innocent - and this was a horrible accident.

I get the feeling the defense team really believes their client. And if that's the case, I guarantee you they have personalized the case and feel an enormous amount of pressure to keep their client from being wrongly convicted.

It's easier to defend people who are actually guilty and have done what they are accused of doing. As a lawyer, your job is to make sure they get a fair trial in every respect. And if your client is convicted of a crime he committed, that's justice, baby.

Defending someone you believe is innocent is the kind of burden that will keep them awake at night and constantly second guessing themselves.

 

[Gardenista]

speaking from much experience trying to chase down money for the 2 ambulance chasers I worked for 22 years LOL this is a good deal, at least you know your getting paid and the TV exposure is a plus as well

I have experience with CDAs as well and, TV exposure aside, this is not a good deal at all. It is why so many attorneys make plea deals. They can't afford to defend their indigent clients.

 

[minor4th]

Yes, I knew he was on their witness list. I think it was mentioned during jury selection.

I was just commenting that a psychiatrist wouldn't really benefit the state, IMO. I don't think the state would want to suggest that a mental issue caused this. It's more valuable for them to poke holes in the narrative the defense expert presents. Totally JMO.

If the State has a psychiatrist or other experts like that, they would likely present them in their rebuttal case to address the Defense experts' conclusions.

 

[DeDee]

Well-paid? Court appointed attorneys are generally not well paid.

Not sure about all court appointed attorneys' earnings but Kilgore, to the best of my recollection, more or less, volunteered to take this case for JRH at the very beginning. Mimi was kind enough to post Kilgore's website info. Kilgore comes to this trial as being a fairly well known and well accomplished GA lawyer. GA Peach can correct me if that is not the case.

This is exactly the type case that falls in line with Kilgore's expertise. I think that is why Kilgore volunteered to defend JRH. Then, there is that omnipresent beneficial sidemark of receiving nat'l attention, giving interviews after it's over and write a best selling book when the trial ends.

 

[dizzychick]

There's no way I could be a defense attorney... ugh.

the guy I worked for told me one day with tears in his eyes how much criminal defense attorneys hated their jobs since they went to school for so long and had to deal with people like JRH their entire careers etc. I can see what he meant. He really hated his job. One day it dawned on me all the guys I worked for and was surround by every day were the right age to be drafted in viet nam, so there was aline going to Nam and aline going to college. 7 years your safe in a situation like that

 

[minor4th]

Agree. Plus I would not let out JRH on the mere "hope" he would change his behavior.

LH wasted a decade of her life "hoping" JRH would change, and instead he got worse.

That is why we have a justice system - to keep people like JRH off the street so he doesn't harm anyone else or ruin their life too.

The purpose of the justice system is not to save people from their "addictions" or to protect people's emotional well being.

 

[minor4th]

Not sure about all court appointed attorneys' earnings but Kilgore, to the best of my recollection, more or less, volunteered to take this case for JRH at the very beginning. Mimi was kind enough to post Kilgore's website info. Kilgore comes to this trial as being a fairly well known and well accomplished GA lawyer. GA Peach can correct me if that is not the case.

This is exactly the type case that falls in line with Kilgore's expertise. I think that is why Kilgore volunteered to defend JRH. Then, there is that omnipresent beneficial sidemark of receiving nat'l attention, giving interviews after it's over and write a best selling book when the trial ends.

Kilgore didn't volunteer. He was hired.