Trial - Ross Harris #7

[arkansasmimi]

I believe this and I think it is a good chance the jury did as well. JMHO

[video=twitter;793509354079080449]https://twitter.com/courtchatter/status/793509354079080449[/video]

 

[ScotAng]

JMHO I think the whole 30-40 sec thing is messing people up.

1: walk to car from inside CF (assuming that walks straight to car not speaking to anyone)
2: strap Cooper in
3: start car drive to parking lot exit...
4: depending on traffic how long can pull onto the road to go to U turn area
5: at U turn area, depending on traffic how long can pull onto road to do the U turn
6: From U Turn to when turn to go to LAA is said to be 30-40 sec, but again traffic dictates how long any of this is.

In no way is it messing people up. It's something that gives (some of) those in favour of RH's innocence pause. We watched the drive, timed. Peach specifically timed it, and posted about it, many times. 40 seconds tops it is for me.

ETA - posted before I saw this.

Just for clarification, it is about 30-40 seconds from CFA to the beginning of the turn lane to LAA. It is 5-10 seconds from CFA to U-turn (it's less than 100 yards). It is another 30 seconds from the start of the turn lane to the intersection.

ETA - Add about 10 seconds from parking spot to the main road at CFA.

I didn't see this before I replied to mimi. Thanks for posting. Again and again.

 

[ScotAng]

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Thank you Peach! Which adds more time correct? I have seen some posts that make it seem like it only 30-40 sec from the CF to turning to LAA. And Traffic has to be figured into this time driving not just the distance. Lord knows a 100 yard mark to go anywhere if there is lots of traffic can take forever or not. But the Videos that Stoddard did I think could help either side. JMHO. I know they were informative to me. And of course your help Hugs

ETA : how do we know where the parking spot is at CFA? From Stoddard video it looked like there were a lot of spots possible. No video from parking lot. JMHO

That's 'cause it is 30/40seconds. Peach is saying it can add 5-10 seconds. No matter which way you try to add on extra time, it's not going to be a significant amount of time. You can walk 100 yards in 30 seconds, easy. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

Phil Holloway "there is a way to get to malice"

Count 1 and 3 he is hoping that someone will sit down after over and explain why charged like this. One is with malice and one is without.
Phil says closing will be where could get to the malice.

 

[arkansasmimi]

That's 'cause it is 30/40seconds. Peach is saying it can add 5-10 seconds. No matter which way you try to add on extra time, it's not going to be a significant amount of time. You can works 100 yards in 30 seconds, easy. JMHO

Yet all 3 of the video's that Stoddard did, was different times And when your doing a timeline with seconds being brought in, it matters, to me. I will agree to disagree.

 

[TexMex]

Count 1 and 3 he is hoping that someone will sit down after over and explain why charged like this. One is with malice and one is without.
Phil says closing will be where could get to the malice.

Yep. Closing

 

[TexMex]

Holloway says in the interview it's 20-30 seconds to get from CFA parking lot to the light

 

[TexMex]

Holloway Says on 6-8 looking at 12 years 10 on count 6, 1 each on 7,8
If life w/parole takes 30 years to qualify plus the 12 plus whatever he gets on the next 8 sex charges

 

[ScotAng]

Yet all 3 of the video's that Stoddard did, was different times And when your doing a timeline with seconds being brought in, it matters, to me. I will agree to disagree.

Ah, forgetting if Stoddard's involved, it's out the window. You're surely not impeaching our Peach? Just joking with you.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
Count 1 and 3 he is hoping that someone will sit down after over and explain why charged like this. One is with malice and one is without.
Phil says closing will be where could get to the malice.

Yep. Closing

Opening and Closing Statements are not evidence. So the State (and Defense) will be referring back on the trial evidence and testimony. So the State would have had to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt during their portion(isn't that when they are suppose to prove it?) and discredit the Def witnesses? In closing they will be suggesting they did. Up to the Jury .. has the Defense planted the seeds of doubt? JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

Ah, forgetting if Stoddard's involved, it's out the window. You're surely not impeaching our Peach? Just joking with you.

LOL NEVA - EVA Love me some GA Peach!

 

[La Louve]

Has Dr. Diamond studied any cases of FBS where the baby was forgotten not just once but three times? Because in my mind that's what Ross did:
1. Forgot baby Cooper in the morning when he parked his car and walked in to the office.
2. Forgot baby Cooper at lunch when he dropped off the light bulbs.
3. Forgot baby Cooper when he left the office parking lot to drive to the theater.

One time maybe, I can understand in some instances. But I'm still not giving any parent a free pass on forgetting their child in the car. And in Ross's case, the three times he forgot baby Cooper speaks volumes to me.

JMO.

 

[ScotAng]

LOL NEVA - EVA Love me some GA Peach!

I read that in (what I perceive to be) your accent.


Are you, Tex, (anyone?) able to watch the Holloway clip all the way through? It's breaking up for me. I'm a bit confused about the charges, not what they are, but potential jail times.

 

[katydid23]

I think Ross is going to have to testify. I looked up the 4 trials that Dr Diamond testified in as expert witness on FBS. [One found Guilty, 3 found Not Guilty.] ALL of the defendants testified in their own defense, and explained what happened on the day they forgot.

I think the jury will want to hear it from him. I have not found any trials yet where Dr Diamond testified and the defendant did not.

Nor have I found any trials where the defendant had the kind of messy baggage that Ross has. One of the main selling points that Dr D uses is that his parents are wonderful, caring, upstanding parents. And he talks about what they were doing while their child was trapped in the cars. None of them have a tremendously ugly story like Ross has to deal with.

 

[blue22]

I think Ross is going to have to testify. I looked up the 4 trials that Dr Diamond testified in as expert witness on FBS. [One found Guilty, 3 found Not Guilty.] ALL of the defendants testified in their own defense, and explained what happened on the day they forgot.

I think the jury will want to hear it from him. I have not found any trials yet where Dr Diamond testified and the defendant did not.

Nor have I found any trials where the defendant had the kind of messy baggage that Ross has. One of the main selling points that Dr D uses is that his parents are wonderful, caring, upstanding parents. And he talks about what they were doing while their child was trapped in the cars. None of them have a tremendously ugly story like Ross has to deal with.

I'd just love to see Ross testify. IMO, there is no chance the defense will have him testify. He would convict himself.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I read that in (what I perceive to be) your accent.


Are you, Tex, (anyone?) able to watch the Holloway clip all the way through? It's breaking up for me. I'm a bit confused about the charges, not what they are, but potential jail times.

it keeps skipping for me too. Yep my southern twang/drawl lol

 

[TexMex]

I read that in (what I perceive to be) your accent.


Are you, Tex, (anyone?) able to watch the Holloway clip all the way through? It's breaking up for me. I'm a bit confused about the charges, not what they are, but potential jail times.

Holloway says consensus (among people he's watching with I assume) is the defense has conceded counts 6-8. That he'd likely get 10 years on count 6. Likely 1 year each counts 7 & 8. That judge often stacks sentences so 12 years. I think he said one count (not malice) life with possible parole is an option. That parole not considered until 30 years so that scenario would be 30 some years plus the 12 years. Then he's also facing 8 more charges involving sexting minors.
If it's malice murder it's lwop

 

[arkansasmimi]

Holloway said that there are cameras all over the HD parking lot and very obvious.

Wow never thought of this. Holloway just said that if the jury wanted to see the SUV again they can ask because was a piece of evidence. Hmmm at 44:00
Good point jurors were allowed to walk around the car, yet we never saw RH walk around the car.

 

[Zoobiegirl]

]Yet doctors prescribed shots, creams, jells after having testing done.

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So did his doctor warn him of the side effects of TOO MUCH testosterone?

Quote:

• According to some researchers, the higher the testosterone level, the more likely men are to participate in risk-taking behavior (sexual, injury risk, and even criminal activity).
• http://www.medicinenet.com/high_and_low_testosterone_levels_in_men-page2/views.htm

 

[arkansasmimi]

Holloway says consensus (among people he's watching with I assume) is the defense has conceded counts 6-8. That he'd likely get 10 years on count 6. Likely 1 year each counts 7 & 8. That judge often stacks sentences so 12 years. I think he said one count (not malice) life with possible parole is an option. That parole not considered until 30 years so that scenario would be 30 some years plus the 12 years. Then he's also facing 8 more charges involving sexting minors.
If it's malice murder it's lwop

Interesting thing about the charges (from a Motion Lumkin argued in a pretrial State argued that the Motion was not ripe and Judge agreed at time. So that sentencing I sure will be argued again. ) of a new sentencing guideline that had been signed by Gov in April, and went into effect July 1. Prior to July 1 it was Mandatory Life, July 1 it changed.