Trial - Ross Harris #7

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Harris #HotCarDeath Trial: Def Expert; Ross Harris' usual route to work made it more likely he'd forget to take Cooper to daycare. @wsbtv

Harris told detectives he and Cooper had daddy-son breakfast 2-3 times a week. That's the routine, the majority of the week's morning drive is to go to CFA with Cooper.
 
  • #802
20-30 seconds from lot to intersection? That doesn't sound right.

Watch the video from court chatter, the one that's about 58 min. Holloway lives in that area, drove it. Said time from lot to light is 20-30 seconds
 
  • #803
When I saw the driving videos, this is actually what struck me - it's a busy interchange and would require one's total attention to navigate it. Before I saw the video, I thought this was more of a hurdle.

I would think this would make someone MORE alert. OK, I need to navigate this busy intersection and get over to make the turn to daycare. He did this all the time, right? If the intersection was the big distraction, he knew until he made that u-turn that he needed to go to daycare. So now we're down to him forgetting Cooper in the time it took to make a u-turn?? IMO: If he didn't often take Cooper w/ him to CFA, he would have been MORE alert to the change since he knew until that point that he needed to go to daycare.
 
  • #804
prior to break, testimony:

Brewer is discussing Harris’ routine route to work.

“That’s a well-worn path,” Brewer said. “When I am on this road, this is naturally the way that I go.”

Cooper went to Chick-fil-A but not as much as Harris went by himself. Publix, which Harris often went to lunch, is also along that route, Brewer pointed out. So there are disproportionately more times Harris traced that path by himself – without Cooper.

“His habit would naturally be to go to (his office) in this case,” he said.

On the day of Cooper’s death, he had the intention of taking Cooper to daycare. But there was also routine behavior that day – going to work after picking up Chick-fil-A by himself, not with Cooper, Brewer pointed out.

Then there’s this high traffic area with lots of distractions that demands attention, he said. That's true even though Harris was used to making that U-turn.

Kilgore now turns the discussion to internal distractions.

Harris had sent an email about work the previous night expressing dissatisfaction at his job performance. Cooper had woken him up early that morning. Harris was trying to start a new business with his friends.

“Are these matters which could create the kind of internal distraction that we’re talking about?” Kilgore said.

“Yes,” Brewer said.

It’s impossible, though, to know what Harris was thinking – that’s the nature of internal distraction, he said.
 
  • #805
I could be wrong, but hasn't it been discussed here by Katydid23 that JRH did not tell investigators that he thought he dropped Cooper off? In other words, that JRH did not have a false memory?

I remember JRH telling investigators that he made the wrong turn, though.

He did tell police he thought he took him to day care "I swore I did"
 
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I would think this would make someone MORE alert. OK, I need to navigate this busy intersection and get over to make the turn to daycare. He did this all the time, right? If the intersection was the big distraction, he knew until he made that u-turn that he needed to go to daycare. So now we're down to him forgetting Cooper in the time it took to make a u-turn?? IMO: If he didn't often take Cooper w/ him to CFA, he would have been MORE alert to the change since he knew until that point that he needed to go to daycare.

I would be worried about worst-case scenario: getting into an accident and having my kid hurt in the u-turn. JMO
 
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Here are the distractions as put forth by the DT:

1) The U-turn, which is illegal I might add
2) Work stress
3) Fatigue

What is glaringly missing from this list?
1) Ross's conscious decision to text and sext his day away

I have so much else to say, but I don't have the time. Eagerly awaiting cross.

ETA - There is a reason that U-turn is illegal!! If Ross left the CFA parking lot in a manner that allowed for a legal left turn (rather than the U-turn) he would not have been distracted by that U-turn. Another bad conscious decision by Ross.
 
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Mr. Brewer seems like a nice guy and I'm sure anywhere outside of this case I might even clap him on the back and buy him a beer.

But I was expecting some kind of enlightening explanation about why JRH would forget Cooper despite having a conversation about him around the same time he left him in the car. I don't think that's going to happen and I think the defense is hoping jurors aren't going to notice that.

I think if this were truly an accident that at some point in the work day it would have dawned on JRH that Cooper was in the car. Something would have triggered his memory, especially since this was supposed to be his "greatest fear."
 
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I would think this would make someone MORE alert. OK, I need to navigate this busy intersection and get over to make the turn to daycare. He did this all the time, right? If the intersection was the big distraction, he knew until he made that u-turn that he needed to go to daycare. So now we're down to him forgetting Cooper in the time it took to make a u-turn?? IMO: If he didn't often take Cooper w/ him to CFA, he would have been MORE alert to the change since he knew until that point that he needed to go to daycare.

Yeah, not on "auto pilot" if heavy traffic
 
  • #810
I would be worried about worst-case scenario: getting into an accident and having my kid hurt in the u-turn. JMO

Right, didn't Harris say he kisses Cooper every time he puts him in the car seat, just in case he gets into an accident? So going through that intersection should trigger him to think, Cooper is in the back seat, I gotta be careful navigating this intersection.
 
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Mr. Brewer seems like a nice guy and I'm sure anywhere outside of this case I might even clap him on the back and buy him a beer.

But I was expecting some kind of enlightening explanation about why JRH would forget Cooper despite having a conversation about him around the same time he left him in the car. I don't think that's going to happen and I think the defense is hoping jurors aren't going to notice that.

I think if this were truly an accident that at some point in the work day it would have dawned on JRH that Cooper was in the car. Something would have triggered his memory, especially since this was supposed to be his "greatest fear."

That plus the small confines of the car, which the jury saw, are problematic for the defense
 
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I would think this would make someone MORE alert. OK, I need to navigate this busy intersection and get over to make the turn to daycare. He did this all the time, right? If the intersection was the big distraction, he knew until he made that u-turn that he needed to go to daycare. So now we're down to him forgetting Cooper in the time it took to make a u-turn?? IMO: If he didn't often take Cooper w/ him to CFA, he would have been MORE alert to the change since he knew until that point that he needed to go to daycare.

I think the theory is that the traffic and navigating the u-turn was one piece of the distraction puzzle that took Ross' awareness away from Cooper.

And yes, forgetting Cooper had to have happened before the turn at the light following the u-turn.
 
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So, maybe the reason he sat in the car at HD so long is because he knew something was off but he couldn't think/remember what is was. Maybe he had the feeling he was forgetting something.... but ultimately couldn't remember that what he was forgetting is that he forgot to drop off Cooper.
 
  • #814
Harris told detectives he and Cooper had daddy-son breakfast 2-3 times a week. That's the routine, the majority of the week's morning drive is to go to CFA with Cooper.

I thought it was 2-3 a month?
 
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Here are the distractions as put forth by the DT:

1) The U-turn, which is illegal I might add
2) Work stress
3) Fatigue

What is glaringly missing from this list?
1) Ross's conscious decision to text and sext his day away

I have so much else to say, but I don't have the time. Eagerly awaiting cross.

ETA - There is a reason that U-turn is illegal!! If Ross left the CFA parking lot in a manner that allowed for a legal left turn (rather than tbe Uz-turn) he would not gave been distracted by that U-turn. Another bad conscious decision by Ross.

The thing is, by the timeline, it doesn't appear that Ross was texting between leaving CFA and arriving at Tree House.

One could argue his mind could have been on those conversations, but that helps the defense more than the prosecution.
 
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Here are the distractions as put forth by the DT:

1) The U-turn, which is illegal I might add
2) Work stress
3) Fatigue

What is glaringly missing from this list?
1) Ross's conscious decision to text and sext his day away

I have so much else to say, but I don't have the time. Eagerly awaiting cross.

ETA - There is a reason that U-turn is illegal!! If Ross left the CFA parking lot in a manner that allowed for a legal left turn (rather than the U-turn) he would not have been distracted by that U-turn. Another bad conscious decision by Ross.

Has it always been illegal Peach? For some reason I was thinking I had read here at the time it was legal. (they are illegal here, but there are places in Texas on visits I was afraid I was going to be killed people doing U turns out of no where)
 
  • #817
So, maybe the reason he sat in the car at HD so long is because he knew something was off but he couldn't think/remember what is was. Maybe he had the feeling he was forgetting something.... but ultimately couldn't remember that what he was forgetting is that he forgot to drop off Cooper.

I would agree except that he was finishing up the conversation with the woman about unhappy he was about being married and having kids. Mr. Boring pointed that out earlier in the State's case.

I always thought that long period of sitting in the car was him saying goodbye to Cooper. :(
 
  • #818
I think the theory is that the traffic and navigating the u-turn was one piece of the distraction puzzle that took Ross' awareness away from Cooper.

And yes, forgetting Cooper had to have happened before the turn at the light following the u-turn.

I think it would have been BEFORE the u-turn if he was worried at all about Cooper and having an accident. If he forgot Cooper. Doing a risky u-turn with a toddler is irresponsible IMO. But apparently RH was into risky behaviour.
 
  • #819
How long does it take to get from Little apons to the tree house, time wise?
 
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