Trial - Ross Harris #8

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  • #181
Jurors saw the car and proximity of car seat. There is no evidence RH did not see or hear Cooper.
IMO
Or evidence that he did see anything, anytime prior to" turning around to look as he changed lanes and caught a glimpse of what he thought was Cooper out the corner of his eye" that's when he panicked and pulled over << from his interview with Stoddard 6/18/14
 
  • #182
Another article

GORDO, Alabama — A long-time friend of the Georgia father who left his toddler son in a hot car to die says that the man now charged with murder was a popular guy who liked being the center of attention — but noted "I hope he gets what's coming to him" if he did it on purpose.

Ben McRea, 33, has been close friend of Justin Ross Harris, also 33, since they were in high school together, and he was a groomsman at his wedding. The two men met when McRea was about 15 years old, after his parents moved from Birmingham to Tuscaloosa, Alabama.

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"He was just a great and outgoing personality. He always liked being the center of attention. He was the Ferris Bueller of Tuscaloosa."

McRea said he was partly responsible for setting up Harris and his wife Leanna, who just retained a lawyer herself, although she has not been charged in the case and police have not named her as a suspect.

"We would never have dreamed he'd be capable of doing these things. He seemed like a loyal husband. He seemed like a good father," said McRea.

He said that the thing he doesn't understand is, in the context of Harris being obsessed with and knowledgeable about computers, how such evidence of online searches and social media accounts even exists.

"That boy knew how to clear his history — that boy knows how to cover his tracks — did he want all that to come out?"
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"I got mad," when he first heard the new evidence about his cheating, "Because I wasn't just Ross' friend, I cared about Leanna too it just blows my mind. I didn't see him as the cheating type."
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Ironically, McRea said, he and and the Harrises fell out of friendship because of cheating. A mutual friend had been cheating on her husband, also a friend of theirs, and McRea knew. Leanna wanted him to tell the friend, but he didn't. They stopped being close around the fall of 2010.

On June 19th, the day after his birthday, McRea was driving to meet up with his parents at a local Olive Garden restaurant. He got a Facebook message from a mutual friend that said "Have you seen this?" It was a link to a story about Ross. "I had to pull over, and I just cried like a baby." At the restaurant, he said he was extremely upset. "I said, 'Momma, Ross killed his baby. Momma, Ross killed his baby. How? How?"

"Please God," he said he begged, "tell me he didn't leave him in the car. Tell me this wasn't on purpose."

He said he's been watching TV all the time to hear of news on the case. "As more stuff comes out I just look over at my roommate and I say, How did he become this monster? What happened?"

“There's so many questions running through my mind that I want answers to, just like everybody else ... If this was on purpose, I hope he gets what's coming to him. And if she (Leanna)" knows anything about it, I hope she's right there with him." http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ho...-dad-he-was-ferris-bueller-tuscaloosa-n153156

^^^^^^^^ So This friend and RH/LH had not been friends or close since 2010. He would not know anything about RH since then. Something the State has tried to point out repeatedly. He would not be a good witness to either side JMHO

Considering the things we do know he's been up to since 2010, a character witness from prior to that might have helped him. Because everything we know since 2010 is that Ross was not a normal person.
 
  • #183
Yep. That was the original betrayal. He was immediately cast out by RH's and LH's circle of (very protective) friends, and has been ostracized by them ever since . I have a feeling he blames Ross for that too.

How exactly do you know this?
 
  • #184
Could be a trigger - but not like seeing or hearing the child.

Seeing or hearing your kid isnt a memory "trigger". That's just actually seeing or heaieng your kid and realizing they're there!!
 
  • #185
ETA: I also think it is strange that they either removed or some how forced the shade / cover thing (that goes over the top half) out of the way, which they did because he was so long. That was a clear sign to them he was too big, even though LH claimed she didn't know his height.

I just looked up pictures of that, and there's no way RH would have been able to see Cooper's head if it had been up, even if he turned around to look behind him. If he'd planned in advance to kill his son he should have made sure it was up.
 
  • #186
Not when he looked out the right side window - when he turned his head all the way to the right to look behind him to change lanes

I think the bottom line is---if you can see your child in his car seat, by looking to the right, no matter how far to the right---then you shouldn't lock up the car and walk away, leaving him to die. imo, it is going to be hard to get past that.
 
  • #187
DT likely can't afford to pay him for two full days when they are only getting $50-60/hour
The defense team doesn't pay for experts out of their own pockets. The defendant does and sometimes the state will reimburse some of the fees. Meaning the tax payer.
 
  • #188
SUMMARY (AND OFTEN ENOUGH BLOW BY BLOW) OF BORING&#8217;S CROSS OF DR. BREWER.

[video=youtube;dg3Er6lsbZM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg3Er6lsbZM[/video]


(Decide for yourself how Brewer held up. IMO he was much stronger on cross actually, more than held his own, and actually bested Boring on several occasions. On "points scored" relating to evidence, I agree with Minor 4th that it was a draw).

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Boring kicks off with countering Brewer&#8217;s testimony this case is like other similar cases.

Boring: In other cases:

Child is out of view (YES)

Child is in back seat, in the middle between the (Brewer says yes, in back seat, can&#8217;t say whether in the middle or not).

Duration of drive? (Brewer says he consulted with Diamond on the specifics of this case, not about the specifics of all other hot car death cases Diamond is conversant with).

Sexting while driving? Are you aware he was sexting (henceforth &#8220;yada sex yada&#8221;) in the morning, even when he drove, continues text during drive (9:24)?

Brewer: (Take up questions about these specifics with Dr. Diamond).
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Boring moves on to specifics of this case&#8230;

Brewer replies that Cooper talking, being kissed by RH, etc., none of their interactions changed the "degree of importance" RH assigned to remembering Cooper (he explained this concept in direct).

Boring: Is it important to know Cooper was awake when leaving CFA? YES.


Boring: Aware that Cooper said &#8220;school&#8221; while in/leaving CFA?

Brewer: I am aware that ROSS SAID Cooper said school.


Boring: Aware that RH &#8220;hung out&#8221; in the car for OVER 30 seconds? NO.
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Boring: If smarter, less likely to forget? YES. If good at multitasking, and is not multitasking in car, less likely to forget?

Brewer: It&#8217;s complicated, but maybe.

Boring: Shorter duration---does it make less likely to forget?

Brewer: No yes or no answers. More time&#8212;can help recall, actually, more time to recover memory.

Boring suggests that DT withheld relevant evidence from Brewer. What he is referring to (in all or in large part) is that the DT didn&#8217;t have Brewer review RH&#8217;s extracted phone and computer records.
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ON THE TOPIC OF CUES

Boring: cues increase the likelihood one will remember? YES.


Boring: Including smell? YES.

Boring: Having that child just inches from you?

Brewer: PROXIMITY DOES NOT MATTER, HAS NO RELATIONSHIP TO THE ABILITY TO RESET

Boring: (sarcastic)&#8212;Well, if you can feel it (Cooper) move? WELL, YES.

Boring: A CFA cup?

Brewer: CFA cup by itself ..not. There needs to be an interpretation of the cue. The cue needs to relate directly to Cooper and DAYCARE.

Boring: Going back to car is a cue? YES.


Boring: Sitting beside your child again, cue? Brewer (longish pause) YES.

Boring: Getting email important to you and child, 10 minutes after arriving at work? YES

Boring: cued by texting back at 9:24?

Boring, in listing, throws in &#8220;makes it less likely that there is a failure of the memory system? (Brewer does not respond, but Boring moves on as if he had).

Boring: Bringing up (Cooper? Or something related) an hour after arriving at work? YES.

Colleagues asking about Cooper? YES.

Getting history about case is important, right? YES.

Were you aware that&#8230;

Boring: RH told LE he wasn&#8217;t distracted by anything? YES

Boring: That he didn&#8217;t say he stressed? YES

Boring: That he made no statements about a lack of sleep? YES

Boring: That no one at all has testified that he was under any stress from the time he woke up until the time he left work?

Brewer: I&#8217;m not aware of any evidence as it has been presented in court

Boring: If no one said he was stressed wouldn&#8217;t that indicate he wasn&#8217;t under stress?

Brewer: &#8220;The absence of evidence doesn&#8217;t indicate evidence of absence.&#8221; &#61514;

Slips in, &#8220;well, the email he did send to work the night before indicating he was having trouble, and the fact that Cooper woke him up early indicates he might not have gotten enough sleep, what might routinely get.

Boring: I&#8217;m talking about work stress, repeats that no witness has testified RH was under any stress that day.

Kilgore objects, strongly, saying &#8220;that is an absolute mischaracterization of the evidence,&#8221; refers to Brown (project manager) testimony that RH communicated to him he was frustrated about not being able to resolve (a whatever problem) relating to the (overdue) project.

Boring: no one has come here and testified he was STRESSED that day.

Staley: The jury will have to resolve what the evidence proves. I&#8217;ll allow it.
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Boring: were you aware his wife said he wasn&#8217;t stressed that morning?
Brewer: I was not aware of anything his wife said about that.

Boring: On to fatigue. Cooper woke up early, but Ross brought him into (TH-LH&#8217;s bed) got back in bed, Cooper went back to sleep.

If the evidence shows he was messaging other women for 15 minutes, then there is a gap between 5:50 something until 7: 20 something, you don&#8217;t know if he was sleeping then, right?

(Leanna is up and getting ready for work) NO.

Boring: He was up messaging other women, yada yada.

Boring: That he never said he was sleepy that morning? AGREES

Boring: That he didn&#8217;t claim to be sleepy at work? AGREES, NOT THAT I&#8217;M NOT AWARE OF

Boring: (after an objection by Kilgore about Boring connecting not shaving to being late to work)

What&#8217;s the significance of not shaving?

Brewer: It&#8217;s a marker of physical and or mental fatigue; can&#8217;t say he was fatigued for sure, only that he had markers, and his disheveled appearance, and not shaving were that, and his expressed dissatisfaction with his own performance on the job-looks towards the jury: &#8220;we all feel that, right? I know I do.&#8221;

Boring: are you aware how much he cared about his job at that point? NO, HAVE NO IDEA.

Boring: he came in late that day?

Kilgore objects. Mischaracterizes the evidence. Testimony is RH came and left as he needed to, there has been no testimony that RH came in &#8220;late&#8221; that day.

Boring: rephrase. Are you aware that RH told LE he was running later than he wanted to (sarcastically) and so he would take time out to go to CFA with his son (I DIDN&#8217;T KNOW THAT)
(Maybe because that&#8217;s not what happened. Remember the email sent at 8:34 AM from Brown, project manager, that RH&#8217;s 10 AM meeting needed to be rescheduled.

Ross responded by phone at 8:46AM (14 minutes before walking into CFA.

I think Ross WAS running later than he wanted to be, but when he received the 8:34AM email (at home) he decided to take his time and to take Cooper to CFA. jmo)
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Boring: does it sound like he was stressed about work if he was also leaving early for the movies.

Brewer is noncommittal in reply-who knows what RH was thinking?

Did you know he had a meeting, a meet and greet, no prep time required? YES.

So not a stressful thing?

Brewer: I base what I&#8217;ve said about stress on what was expressed in the email (to Brown) and fatigue, by the timestamp on it. They are interrelated.

(((Can&#8217;t testify to work context, didn&#8217;t know Ross was looking for another job, had sent a resume out that AM between (yada yada, sex messages yada yada)


That he didn&#8217;t tell LE about the sex yadayada and his trip back to his car at lunchtime, and that going to his car was outside of routine?

Brewer: I couldn&#8217;t quantify how often he took his car to lunch (note-from testimony, neither can Boring. It happened).
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Boring: Are you aware that RH brought CFA (bag of) INTO work 4 out of previous 9 days? So, not routine?

Brewer: 4 out of THIRTY days is not routine, but he could have eaten there (note: misheard, or did he rephrase &#8220;routine&#8221;)

Boring: But he always went to the drive thru?
Brewer-it&#8217;s not clear either way (basically, there isn&#8217;t enough evidence to know anything other than what we can see to know).

Boring. are you aware that on June 11, RH took Cooper to daycare, went to CFA, then remembered to bring in his guitar into work?) NO.

Brewer: I was thinking about your last question&#8230;about that guitar. &#8220;Sorry, my mind was just wandering.&#8221; Smiles. (lol, oh, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s true at all. Maybe he was making a point about the guitar, that it was relevant to know whether there was a specific purpose for having the guitar in the car, and for bringing the guitar into work (as opposed to not remembering Cooper was there, so not cued to remember to take him out of car).

IMO Boring missed the opportunity to say RH brought it in because heat might damage it, instead he blows off the question as doofy).
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Boring: were you aware that he brought in CFA for daycare workers (etc., establishing that Ross also went to CFA before dropping Cooper off)

Boring: And that Cooper would be awake on those days?

Kilgore: Mischaracterization of evidence.

Boring: Not.

Staley: rephrase.

Brewer: I can&#8217;t connect LAA videos with CFA -specific days

Boring: you&#8217;re not aware? Because you only have what the DT gave you, right?

Brewer: Yes. That and what you gave me as well (lol).

Boring: Gonna wrap it up. Going back to fatigue. You said the sleep he had on the 17th was out of norm for him, less than the sleep he was used to getting? YES.

Boring goes thru late night messaging and being up late, beginning on Sunday, sending sex yada yada yada.

Brewer&#8212;Nope. Not aware of any other of his texts, period.

Boring keeps on, through timestamps for the night of the 16th going into the 17th, sexting with a minor.

Brewer listens to the recital then says, with emphasis, huh, &#8220;I thought it was only that ONE night he wasn&#8217;t getting enough sleep but it looks like there were MULTIPLE nights of not sleeping as well. (LOL)

Kilgore repeats&#8230;. well, it looks like he got more sleep on the 17-18th than usual, right?

Boring: Well, yes, more sleep than he had for those nights in a row&#8230;

Brewer: &#8220;Well yes, probably because he was fatigued. &#8220;

Boring: Not because he wanted to yada yada sex yada?

You know the work text was bookended by passport and &#8230;yadayada yada with women&#8230;and MEN too?

(Kilgore and Boring tussle over why RH was up late, yada sex yada or work, or both. End with:

Boring: Could he have gotten more sleep if not yada sex yada?

Brewer: WELL, OF COURSE
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Boring&#8217;s finale:

When he said to LE, &#8220;I swore I dropped him off,&#8221; he could have been lying, right?

Brewer: Yes. Absolutely.
 
  • #189
This witness was not there to weigh every piece of information and tell the jury whether Ross forgot his baby or deliberately murdered him.

He was there to explain how it can happen and in fact has happened hundreds of times.

When he said there is nothing unique about this case compared to the hundreds of others - that's the crux of his testimony. We can draw the conclusion that Ross had a memory lapse just like hundreds of other parents have. And the things that point to that possibility are: sleep deprivation, external distraction from complex traffic situation, stress about a project at work, and habit of driving straight from CFA to work. Those are the kinds of things that are seen in this and other cases of such fatal memory lapses

Two main things set this case far apart though, IMO - the rapidity with which he would've had to forget his son (moments) and the fact that unlike all the others, he was super well educated about hot car deaths, it was his worst fear and he had been practicing a look back technique to prevent that.
 
  • #190
SUMMARY (AND OFTEN ENOUGH BLOW BY BLOW) OF BORING&#8217;S CROSS OF DR. BREWER.

[video=youtube;dg3Er6lsbZM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg3Er6lsbZM[/video]


(Decide for yourself how Brewer held up. IMO he was much stronger on cross actually, more than held his own, and actually bested Boring on several occasions. On "points scored" relating to evidence, I agree with Minor 4th that it was a draw).

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Boring kicks off with countering Brewer&#8217;s testimony this case is like other similar cases.

Boring: In other cases:

Child is out of view (YES)

Child is in back seat, in the middle between the (Brewer says yes, in back seat, can&#8217;t say whether in the middle or not).

Duration of drive? (Brewer says he consulted with Diamond on the specifics of this case, not about the specifics of all other hot car death cases Diamond is conversant with).

Sexting while driving? Are you aware he was sexting (henceforth &#8220;yada sex yada&#8221;) in the morning, even when he drove, continues text during drive (9:24)?

Brewer: (Take up questions about these specifics with Dr. Diamond).
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Boring moves on to specifics of this case&#8230;

Brewer replies that Cooper talking, being kissed by RH, etc., none of their interactions changed the "degree of importance" RH assigned to remembering Cooper (he explained this concept in direct).

Boring: Is it important to know Cooper was awake when leaving CFA? YES.


Boring: Aware that Cooper said &#8220;school&#8221; while in/leaving CFA?

Brewer: I am aware that ROSS SAID Cooper said school.


Boring: Aware that RH &#8220;hung out&#8221; in the car for OVER 30 seconds? NO.
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Boring: If smarter, less likely to forget? YES. If good at multitasking, and is not multitasking in car, less likely to forget?

Brewer: It&#8217;s complicated, but maybe.

Boring: Shorter duration---does it make less likely to forget?

Brewer: No yes or no answers. More time&#8212;can help recall, actually, more time to recover memory.

Boring suggests that DT withheld relevant evidence from Brewer. What he is referring to (in all or in large part) is that the DT didn&#8217;t have Brewer review RH&#8217;s extracted phone and computer records.
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ON THE TOPIC OF CUES

Boring: cues increase the likelihood one will remember? YES.


Boring: Including smell? YES.

Boring: Having that child just inches from you?

Brewer: PROXIMITY DOES NOT MATTER, HAS NO RELATIONSHIP TO THE ABILITY TO RESET

Boring: (sarcastic)&#8212;Well, if you can feel it (Cooper) move? WELL, YES.

Boring: A CFA cup?

Brewer: CFA cup by itself ..not. There needs to be an interpretation of the cue. The cue needs to relate directly to Cooper and DAYCARE.

Boring: Going back to car is a cue? YES.


Boring: Sitting beside your child again, cue? Brewer (longish pause) YES.

Boring: Getting email important to you and child, 10 minutes after arriving at work? YES

Boring: cued by texting back at 9:24?

Boring, in listing, throws in &#8220;makes it less likely that there is a failure of the memory system? (Brewer does not respond, but Boring moves on as if he had).

Boring: Bringing up (Cooper? Or something related) an hour after arriving at work? YES.

Colleagues asking about Cooper? YES.

Getting history about case is important, right? YES.

Were you aware that&#8230;

Boring: RH told LE he wasn&#8217;t distracted by anything? YES

Boring: That he didn&#8217;t say he stressed? YES

Boring: That he made no statements about a lack of sleep? YES

Boring: That no one at all has testified that he was under any stress from the time he woke up until the time he left work?

Brewer: I&#8217;m not aware of any evidence as it has been presented in court

Boring: If no one said he was stressed wouldn&#8217;t that indicate he wasn&#8217;t under stress?

Brewer: &#8220;The absence of evidence doesn&#8217;t indicate evidence of absence.&#8221; &#61514;

Slips in, &#8220;well, the email he did send to work the night before indicating he was having trouble, and the fact that Cooper woke him up early indicates he might not have gotten enough sleep, what might routinely get.

Boring: I&#8217;m talking about work stress, repeats that no witness has testified RH was under any stress that day.

Kilgore objects, strongly, saying &#8220;that is an absolute mischaracterization of the evidence,&#8221; refers to Brown (project manager) testimony that RH communicated to him he was frustrated about not being able to resolve (a whatever problem) relating to the (overdue) project.

Boring: no one has come here and testified he was STRESSED that day.

Staley: The jury will have to resolve what the evidence proves. I&#8217;ll allow it.
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Boring: were you aware his wife said he wasn&#8217;t stressed that morning?
Brewer: I was not aware of anything his wife said about that.

Boring: On to fatigue. Cooper woke up early, but Ross brought him into (TH-LH&#8217;s bed) got back in bed, Cooper went back to sleep.

If the evidence shows he was messaging other women for 15 minutes, then there is a gap between 5:50 something until 7: 20 something, you don&#8217;t know if he was sleeping then, right?

(Leanna is up and getting ready for work) NO.

Boring: He was up messaging other women, yada yada.

Boring: That he never said he was sleepy that morning? AGREES

Boring: That he didn&#8217;t claim to be sleepy at work? AGREES, NOT THAT I&#8217;M NOT AWARE OF

Boring: (after an objection by Kilgore about Boring connecting not shaving to being late to work)

What&#8217;s the significance of not shaving?

Brewer: It&#8217;s a marker of physical and or mental fatigue; can&#8217;t say he was fatigued for sure, only that he had markers, and his disheveled appearance, and not shaving were that, and his expressed dissatisfaction with his own performance on the job-looks towards the jury: &#8220;we all feel that, right? I know I do.&#8221;

Boring: are you aware how much he cared about his job at that point? NO, HAVE NO IDEA.

Boring: he came in late that day?

Kilgore objects. Mischaracterizes the evidence. Testimony is RH came and left as he needed to, there has been no testimony that RH came in &#8220;late&#8221; that day.

Boring: rephrase. Are you aware that RH told LE he was running later than he wanted to (sarcastically) and so he would take time out to go to CFA with his son (I DIDN&#8217;T KNOW THAT)
(Maybe because that&#8217;s not what happened. Remember the email sent at 8:34 AM from Brown, project manager, that RH&#8217;s 10 AM meeting needed to be rescheduled.

Ross responded by phone at 8:46AM (14 minutes before walking into CFA.

I think Ross WAS running later than he wanted to be, but when he received the 8:34AM email (at home) he decided to take his time and to take Cooper to CFA. jmo)
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Boring: does it sound like he was stressed about work if he was also leaving early for the movies.

Brewer is noncommittal in reply-who knows what RH was thinking?

Did you know he had a meeting, a meet and greet, no prep time required? YES.

So not a stressful thing?

Brewer: I base what I&#8217;ve said about stress on what was expressed in the email (to Brown) and fatigue, by the timestamp on it. They are interrelated.

(((Can&#8217;t testify to work context, didn&#8217;t know Ross was looking for another job, had sent a resume out that AM between (yada yada, sex messages yada yada)


That he didn&#8217;t tell LE about the sex yadayada and his trip back to his car at lunchtime, and that going to his car was outside of routine?

Brewer: I couldn&#8217;t quantify how often he took his car to lunch (note-from testimony, neither can Boring. It happened).
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Boring: Are you aware that RH brought CFA (bag of) INTO work 4 out of previous 9 days? So, not routine?

Brewer: 4 out of THIRTY days is not routine, but he could have eaten there (note: misheard, or did he rephrase &#8220;routine&#8221;)

Boring: But he always went to the drive thru?
Brewer-it&#8217;s not clear either way (basically, there isn&#8217;t enough evidence to know anything other than what we can see to know).

Boring. are you aware that on June 11, RH took Cooper to daycare, went to CFA, then remembered to bring in his guitar into work?) NO.

Brewer: I was thinking about your last question&#8230;about that guitar. &#8220;Sorry, my mind was just wandering.&#8221; Smiles. (lol, oh, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s true at all. Maybe he was making a point about the guitar, that it was relevant to know whether there was a specific purpose for having the guitar in the car, and for bringing the guitar into work (as opposed to not remembering Cooper was there, so not cued to remember to take him out of car).

IMO Boring missed the opportunity to say RH brought it in because heat might damage it, instead he blows off the question as doofy).
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Boring: were you aware that he brought in CFA for daycare workers (etc., establishing that Ross also went to CFA before dropping Cooper off)

Boring: And that Cooper would be awake on those days?

Kilgore: Mischaracterization of evidence.

Boring: Not.

Staley: rephrase.

Brewer: I can&#8217;t connect LAA videos with CFA -specific days

Boring: you&#8217;re not aware? Because you only have what the DT gave you, right?

Brewer: Yes. That and what you gave me as well (lol).

Boring: Gonna wrap it up. Going back to fatigue. You said the sleep he had on the 17th was out of norm for him, less than the sleep he was used to getting? YES.

Boring goes thru late night messaging and being up late, beginning on Sunday, sending sex yada yada yada.

Brewer&#8212;Nope. Not aware of any other of his texts, period.

Boring keeps on, through timestamps for the night of the 16th going into the 17th, sexting with a minor.

Brewer listens to the recital then says, with emphasis, huh, &#8220;I thought it was only that ONE night he wasn&#8217;t getting enough sleep but it looks like there were MULTIPLE nights of not sleeping as well. (LOL)

Kilgore repeats&#8230;. well, it looks like he got more sleep on the 17-18th than usual, right?

Boring: Well, yes, more sleep than he had for those nights in a row&#8230;

Brewer: &#8220;Well yes, probably because he was fatigued. &#8220;

Boring: Not because he wanted to yada yada sex yada?

You know the work text was bookended by passport and &#8230;yadayada yada with women&#8230;and MEN too?

(Kilgore and Boring tussle over why RH was up late, yada sex yada or work, or both. End with:

Boring: Could he have gotten more sleep if not yada sex yada?

Brewer: WELL, OF COURSE
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Boring&#8217;s finale:

When he said to LE, &#8220;I swore I dropped him off,&#8221; he could have been lying, right?

Brewer: Yes. Absolutely.

You are awesome! Thank you so much. I will read that tomorrow as I'm waiting for my case to be called. Lucky the case is not too heavy but I'm going to be riding on 4 hour's sleep so no fun!!
 
  • #191
Two main things set this case far apart though, IMO - the rapidity with which he would've had to forget his son (moments) and the fact that unlike all the others, he was super well educated about hot car deaths, it was his worst fear and he had been practicing a look back technique to prevent that.

Good morning! Now, on to disagreeing with you- better than a cup of coffee. :D

RH wasn't "super educated about hot car deaths, " unless one believes watching one PSA and a vet video, once, qualifies. I wouldn't consider myself even moderately informed, and I have now spent approximately 9 or 10 hours reading up on individual cases (including how they were handled by LE and DA's).

And, I'm not sure that the rapidity of "forgetting" in this case is unique. I'm not sure that's even possible to know. What does seem unique about this case is we have such a precise idea of when and where the forgetting had to have occurred, measured in a few minutes and seconds.

Other parents might have forgotten in an equally short time, but how would they be able to account for just when they forgot? I remember in one case the car strapped his toddler in the car, went back inside to get something, then drove off in another car, and yes the baby died, and yes it was investigated and found to an accident.
 
  • #192
You are awesome! Thank you so much. I will read that tomorrow as I'm waiting for my case to be called. Lucky the case is not too heavy but I'm going to be riding on 4 hour's sleep so no fun!!

Good luck with the case! ;)
 
  • #193
Thanks... well this makes sense why he wouldn't be called JMHO (unless he is being called as a rebuttal witness)

Justin Ross Harris' former friend speaks out against him (2014) http://www.walb.com/story/26058618/justin-ross-harris-former-friend-speaks-out-against-him
Snip:

"Ross was family to me. I loved him like a brother," McRea said.

Fast forward to one month ago, June 18, the day Ross' son Cooper died in a blazing hot SUV just outside of Atlanta.

"At first when it was being reported as an accident, I felt so terrible for him," McRea told FOX6 News.

Now, McRea says he is stunned over shocking allegations about Ross revealed by the prosecution at a preliminary hearing earlier this month.

Authorities alleged that Ross sexted multiple women while Cooper was in the hot car, conducted online searches about child hot car deaths and about living a child-free life.

"It was sickening. It really broke my heart. It was really totally against the type of moral character I thought he had. I'm just totally disgusted with his behavior, ashamed, very ashamed," McRea said. "It's almost like he's a monster and I'm like what happened? When did you become this person that we see on TV now? Or were you always like this and just hid it that well?"

McRea said Copper didn't deserve to die and that's why he's speaking out. McRea wants to make sure people understand the reality of this tragic situation.

"I just don't want baby Cooper to be forgotten. I want there to be justice for the suffering. What he had to go through," McRea said.
Wow.

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  • #194
With the trail nearing the end, if I was a juror, I would want to know about life insurance held on Baby Cooper. Ross told Leeanna how to obtain the $27,000 funds during a ph conference call the Friday before Cooper was properly buried. Some jurors may wonder why life insurance was not brought into the testimony.

Stoddard did NOT lie about the settings on the straps as the warrants state that the straps were set in the lowest level for a child - not at the lowest level for an infant.

'Harris knew the specific make and model of the seat and what the weight limit was for the child to be seated in it,' the warrants state.
'When the seat was inspected the straps for the seat were set on the lowest level for a small child.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-women-visits-jail-continues-stand-side.html
 
  • #195
Kilgore indicated to Judge Staley Clark on Thursday that it was unlikely Harris will testify. But, he said, his team would talk to Harris and decide before court resumes this morning. It is up to the defendant whether to testify or stay off the stand.

If Harris doesn&#8217;t testify, the prosecution and defense are expected to give their closing arguments on Monday morning. It will be the last chance to plead their cases before the jury goes into deliberation. Typically, each side gets about an hour and a half for its closing.

On Friday, the defense is expected to call its final one or two witnesses before resting its case.

Once the closing arguments are finished, Judge Staley Clark will give jurors directions on how they must apply the law to the case. They will then begin to deliberate.

A verdict in the case could come down as early as Tuesday, which happens to Election Day. But Tuesday is also a half day for the jurors so they can go vote.

The trial will resume this morning at 8:30 a.m.

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/hot-c...stify-his-own-defense/5a8eawnX1oOcI6oz7pQ0cN/
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local/ross-harris-defense-prepares-to-wrap-up-case-in-ho/ns3gm/
 
  • #196
With the trail nearing the end, if I was a juror, I would want to know about life insurance held on Baby Cooper. Ross told Leeanna how to obtain the $27,000 funds during a ph conference call the Friday before Cooper was properly buried. Some jurors may wonder why life insurance was not brought into the testimony.

Stoddard did NOT lie about the settings on the straps as the warrants state that the straps were set in the lowest level for a child - not at the lowest level for an infant.

'Harris knew the specific make and model of the seat and what the weight limit was for the child to be seated in it,' the warrants state.
'When the seat was inspected the straps for the seat were set on the lowest level for a small child.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-women-visits-jail-continues-stand-side.html

1. They can't speak about the Life Insurance at all, Pretrial Motions that Judge Staley agreed to
2. Its better when you go with testimony than MSM reports when you have it. Det Murphy testified that he is who made that error when he looked at the photos of the car seat and they were NOT on the lowest level. Murphy testified to this 10/28/16 1:18:30 mark start [video=youtube;6-p3Ro0qqFE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-p3Ro0qqFE&index=18&list=PLoW1SIeAWaWa1BHJdr_EpBGK-U_weQTFd[/video]
 
  • #197
key developments which happened yesterday during the defense's expert testimony:

Witness [expert] says he is not aware of any of Harris&#8217; late night texts. State shows a pattern of staying up late to sext. They try to show that Harris was not &#8220;fatigued&#8221; because it is normal for him to stay up so late.

The state says that Harris only brought in Chick-fil-A four times that month, so it was not a habitual thing.

Witness and the state went back and forth about whether or not Harris was stressed about work. State argues that because Ross was late to work and planned on leaving early, he could not have been that stressed about work.

Witness agrees that texting about the child and people asking about the child at work could all be memory cues that you forgot the child in the car.

Witness agrees that this case in unique- including the fact that Ross was sexting men and women the night before.

Witness agrees that in most cases where the child is left in the car, something stressful happens during the car ride.

Witness agree with State that most of the cases where children are left in the car, the child is out of sight.

http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/215279011-story
 
  • #198
Seeing or hearing your kid isnt a memory "trigger". That's just actually seeing or heaieng your kid and realizing they're there!!

IMO it is impossible for any reasonable person to look at the space where Cooper died and truly believe there was any way RH didn't see him, unless they are making excuses for him.
 
  • #199
I just looked up pictures of that, and there's no way RH would have been able to see Cooper's head if it had been up, even if he turned around to look behind him. If he'd planned in advance to kill his son he should have made sure it was up.

In that seat the canopy couldn't have been up with Cooper in it. I believe his head was 17-18" around. With his length being what it was there wouldn't be enough space for the canopy to go over his head. It would be right on or just over his face, which is why they took it off or squashed it out of the way. It isn't in a position it goes into normally, if it is there at all. It's hard to see from the photos.

Edit to fix typo. Thanks a lot, Siri!
 
  • #200
In that seat the canopy couldn't have been up with Cooper in it. I believe he husband head was 17-18" around. With his length being what it was there wouldn't be enough space for the canopy to go over his head. It would be right on or just over his face, which is why they took it off or squashed it out of the way. It isn't in a position it goes into normally, if it is there at all. It's hard to see from the photos.

It is there, it is folded down behind. Grimstead rested his tape measure on it at one point to get the measurement from car seat to dash. JMHO I never heard anyone state it was up over his head. I know with my grands we did same with our car seats when not using, that is why its made like that. JMHO

Ross Harris car seat measurment to top.JPG

ross harris cs 6 18 14 grimstead 1.JPG
 
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