Trial - Ross Harris #8

[minor4th]

After reading the article, I don't see why it was a hubbub. I'm left feeling more confused why a friend it to a juror in a trial for the murder and rape of a minor. What an incredible idiot!!!

I guess since it was a death penalty case, they just wanted to make extra sure there was no funny business with the jury.

 

[GA_Peach]

Maybe he did have info Ross disclosed to him that they decided they did not want introduced into evidence or maybe it is r/t to the FBI info.

When was the FBI stuff turned over? Yesterday? That would be extremely logical.

 

[katydid23]

But Diamond KNEW from the beginning that Ross's case was different from others that he typically took on. Ross couldn't have been made sympathetic to the jury by him or anyone else, imo, if for no other reason (and there are many) than his sexual exchanges with a 14 year old.

Diamond had to have known of that as well, again, from the very beginning.

Right. But his former clients probably had no clue what was going on. And I bet they were upset when they started seeing Dr Diamond's name on the media reports, in support of Ross. I would be if I were them. They are trying to get their reputations, marriages, lives back on track. The last thing they need is to add Ross to their group of FBS victims.

 

[monkeypants]

Is there a link to this credible source by any chance?

She didn't say credible, she said knowledgeable.

 

[blue22]

When did the defense learn the state would be playing the recording of Leanna?

I wondered if that would have anything to do with no Dr. Diamond testimony. Would the worst fear and we talk about it a lot statements hurt his testimony? It's such a mystery to me. I wish we knew!!!

 

[LyndyLoo]

After reading the article, I don't see why it was a hubbub. I'm left feeling more confused why a friend sent it to a juror in a trial for the murder and rape of a minor. What an incredible idiot!!!

So THAT overturn had nothing to do with the Judge but Juror misconduct!! Hardly a strong record of Judicial misconduct/reversal due to rulings :moo:

 

[yupikgirl]

the penis shaped candy was not given to the judge in between trial
and sentencing. It was after it was all over. And the judge requested to see it after hearing about it- the candy was given to a juror by her friend- which is probably one of the weirdest things a friend can do when you are on a trial IMO LOL

Dang forgot to quote again.


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[katydid23]

After reading the article, I don't see why it was a hubbub. I'm left feeling more confused why a friend sent it to a juror in a trial for the murder and rape of a minor. What an incredible idiot!!!

I don't see that the judge did anything wrong. And it happened in 1993.

from the link:

A three-judge panel of the 11th Circuit appeals court reviewed the case again, and on Monday ordered a U.S. District judge to allow Wellons' lawyers to investigate why the gifts were given. It also directs the judge to hold an evidentiary hearing into the gifts if necessary.

The panel's opinion, written by U.S. Circuit Judge Charles R. Wilson, noted the "extraordinary circumstances" of the case but suggested there may have been no wrongdoing.

"No court that has reviewed this case has been comfortable with these gifts," the opinion read. "Yet, troubling facts do not automatically give rise to a legal claim."

Both Staley and Hooper said they would welcome an investigation to clear up any confusion about what happened.

"Everybody there was a very high caliber person and no one was remotely interested in doing anything but our duty," Hooper said.

Staley, for her part, said she is frustrated the issue wasn't reviewed sooner.

"I don't understand why it hasn't been looked into before. All this time has passed and memories are going to fade," the judge said. "If there's concerns, you might as well investigate it, find out what the situation is."

 

[Hope4More]

When was the FBI stuff turned over? Yesterday? That would be extremely logical.

Wow would that be dirty pool if the State withheld the FBI materials to take out Diamond out. They were supposed to be turned over days ago, iirc, and that came after Kilgore's allegation waaaaay back about Brady violations

 

[DeDee]

Well, we know Ross is going to jail, only question is for how long. So I'm wondering if he is going to have to be put in a safer facility since technically he killed his baby. I understand prison is a tough place for child killers and I'm not sure they have a fair and sliding scale for fbs vs premeditated. But then again he already looked that up so I guess he's prepared for it.

JRH is prepared for prison life, apparently, since he was already sexting men and may have met up with one or more. Maybe if sex addicted JRH lets them in often enough then, they will not kill him.

In the audio played of LH today, she answered questions about Cooper already in the past tense, as in, "He was going to turn two on his birthday".

 

[popsicle]

From what charges he could be found guilty on....what would be the minimum time served? Will he be a registered sex offender? Thank you.

iirc one of the legal ppl on tv said 20yrs just from the sex charges in both trials.

 

[minor4th]

So THAT overturn had nothing to do with the Judge but Juror misconduct!! Hardly a strong record of Judicial misconduct/reversal due to rulings :moo:

Nothing that the judge did - it was the jurors in one of her cases who were acting squirrelly. I brought it up because it's a funny bit of trivia about Staley's court

 

[MsMarple]

I don't see that the judge did anything wrong. And it happened in 1993.

from the link:

A three-judge panel of the 11th Circuit appeals court reviewed the case again, and on Monday ordered a U.S. District judge to allow Wellons' lawyers to investigate why the gifts were given. It also directs the judge to hold an evidentiary hearing into the gifts if necessary.

The panel's opinion, written by U.S. Circuit Judge Charles R. Wilson, noted the "extraordinary circumstances" of the case but suggested there may have been no wrongdoing.

"No court that has reviewed this case has been comfortable with these gifts," the opinion read. "Yet, troubling facts do not automatically give rise to a legal claim."

Both Staley and Hooper said they would welcome an investigation to clear up any confusion about what happened.

"Everybody there was a very high caliber person and no one was remotely interested in doing anything but our duty," Hooper said.

Staley, for her part, said she is frustrated the issue wasn't reviewed sooner.

"I don't understand why it hasn't been looked into before. All this time has passed and memories are going to fade," the judge said. "If there's concerns, you might as well investigate it, find out what the situation is."

Thanks, katy! BTW, Wellons was executed in 2014. I think his was the first execution since that botched one in OK.

 

[minor4th]

I don't see that the judge did anything wrong. And it happened in 1993.

from the link:

A three-judge panel of the 11th Circuit appeals court reviewed the case again, and on Monday ordered a U.S. District judge to allow Wellons' lawyers to investigate why the gifts were given. It also directs the judge to hold an evidentiary hearing into the gifts if necessary.

The panel's opinion, written by U.S. Circuit Judge Charles R. Wilson, noted the "extraordinary circumstances" of the case but suggested there may have been no wrongdoing.

"No court that has reviewed this case has been comfortable with these gifts," the opinion read. "Yet, troubling facts do not automatically give rise to a legal claim."

Both Staley and Hooper said they would welcome an investigation to clear up any confusion about what happened.

"Everybody there was a very high caliber person and no one was remotely interested in doing anything but our duty," Hooper said.

Staley, for her part, said she is frustrated the issue wasn't reviewed sooner.

"I don't understand why it hasn't been looked into before. All this time has passed and memories are going to fade," the judge said. "If there's concerns, you might as well investigate it, find out what the situation is."

I wasn't saying the judge did anything wrong lol Just thought it was funny

 

[popsicle]

When did the defense learn the state would be playing the recording of Leanna?

I wondered if that would have anything to do with no Dr. Diamond testimony. Would the worst fear and we talk about it a lot statements hurt his testimony? It's such a mystery to me. I wish we knew!!!

Right before lunch is when the whole rebuttal discussion came up iirc

 

[katydid23]

I wasn't saying the judge did anything wrong lol Just thought it was funny

Ok Gotcha. It was quite an odd gift idea from a juror...

I just thought that you were saying something was on her because you said " She was reversed by the U.S. Supreme Court ..." ---which made it seem like she made some legal errors...

 

[minor4th]

Ok Gotcha. It was quite an odd gift idea from a juror...

I just thought that you were saying something was on her because you said " She was reversed by the U.S. Supreme Court ..." ---which made it seem like she made some legal errors...

I could have phrased that better

 

[monkeypants]

JRH is prepared for prison life, apparently, since he was already sexting men and may have met up with one or more. Maybe if sex addicted JRH lets them in often enough then, they will not kill him.

In the audio played of LH today, she answered questions about Cooper already in the past tense, as in, "He was going to turn two on his birthday".

I've been watching that show 60 days in...its alarming to watch the men in there and how the avg joe handles it. I'm thinking RH would be popular

 

[NCTeacher]

Well, that was NOT what I expected out of the defense. I expected a steady stream of countless witnesses testifying to how wonderful of a father Ross was, some---but not as many as I expected. I expected some really meaty testimony about FBS, didn't get it. Brewer's testimony was NOT ENOUGH to convince the jury it is possible he forgot Cooper. Yes, it is the prosecution's job to prove the crime, but it was also the defense's obligation to prove he forgot Cooper. Remember, jurors are people: mothers, fathers, grandparents, siblings. The average person does not "talk about all the time" hot car deaths and FBS. Many of them, like the majority of the population, immediately think "that's impossible." Research proves that FBS exists, but to the average person, they would need this research thrown in their face to believe it. The defense did NOT do an adequate job at it. I think it will be very hard for the jury to determine that Ross forgot Cooper---so the only other possible reason is deliberation.

In all, the defense case was very, very weak. I felt the prosecution was also weak, so the question is, who the heck did a better job with their mediocre presentations.

I will say that rebuttal witness really topped off the trial.

I will say that until today, I thought malice would be a stretch. However, the defense did not adequately put the forgotten baby theory OUT THERE so that regular folks (like the jury) would buy into it. I think we will get a malice murder verdict. I really do.

 

[GA_Peach]

"All that" was a description of the legal peril RH faced at that moment . To be more succinct, then. What I didn't get, and don't get, is why anyone thinks it's logical for a child killer to voluntarily offer up that he had specific knowledge about how to kill his baby in exactly the manner in which his baby died.

To me that would be equivalent to someone being questioned for a murder by knife chatting with LE about his extensive knife collection. Maybe I'm obtuse, but I just don't understand the reasoning.

Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that Ross intentionally left Cooper in the car. That makes him a cold-blooded killer. Killers don't always act in ways that make sense to the general population.

There are many examples of criminals leading LE to evidence of guilt. Under the "guise" of having nothing to hide, they give themselves away.

However, the fact remains that Ross is responsible for Cooper's death. For whatever reason, Ross offered up that leaving Cooper in the car was his greatest fear and that he was aware of the risks associated with kids (and pets) being left in hot cars. I have no idea why he would have said that - innocent or guilty.

Here's another thing that doesn't make sense to me. Ross's biggest fear was Cooper dying in a hot car. Leanna's biggest fear was Cooper dying in a hot car. They talked about this at home. They were aware of the risks. Ross watched a video about pets being left in cars. Ross stated that he would hate if that were his son. A mere five days later his son dies in a hot car. That doesn't make any sense to me. In fact, it defies all logic.