Trial - Ross Harris #8

[guruagain]

Forgive me if this has been gone over before but I have only been following this case for a few days. What sort of alarm system does the vehicle have ? Does it have internal sensors? Is it right there is video of Ross putting the lightbulbs in the car? Do they know if he unlocked the vehicle or did he just open the door. Do they know if when he parked he locked the doors and set the alarm. I mention it because of another case where the guys car alarm went off (he thought it was faulty and ignored it). I would have expected a wriggly uncomfortable two year old to trigger the internal alarm sensors.

 

[katydid23]

Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that Ross intentionally left Cooper in the car. That makes him a cold-blooded killer. Killers don't always act in ways that make sense to the general population.

There are many examples of criminals leading LE to evidence of guilt. Under the "guise" of having nothing to hide, they give themselves away.

However, the fact remains that Ross is responsible for Cooper's death. For whatever reason, Ross offered up that leaving Cooper in the car was his greatest fear and that he was aware of the risks associated with kids (and pets) being left in hot cars. I have no idea why he would have said that - innocent or guilty.

Here's another thing that doesn't make sense to me. Ross's biggest fear was Cooper dying in a hot car. Leanna's biggest fear was Cooper dying in a hot car. They talked about this at home. They were aware of the risks. Ross watched a video about pets being left in cars. Ross stated that he would hate if that were his son. A mere five days later his son dies in a hot car. That doesn't make any sense to me. In fact, it defies all logic.

^^^ THIS^^^^----- It is really hard for me to get past this. That comment he posted---then it suddenly happens to his son? :no:

 

[GA_Peach]

Well, that was NOT what I expected out of the defense. I expected a steady stream of countless witnesses testifying to how wonderful of a father Ross was, some---but not as many as I expected. I expected some really meaty testimony about FBS, didn't get it. Brewer's testimony was NOT ENOUGH to convince the jury it is possible he forgot Cooper. Yes, it is the prosecution's job to prove the crime, but it was also the defense's obligation to prove he forgot Cooper. Remember, jurors are people: mothers, fathers, grandparents, siblings. The average person does not "talk about all the time" hot car deaths and FBS. Many of them, like the majority of the population, immediately think "that's impossible." Research proves that FBS exists, but to the average person, they would need this research thrown in their face to believe it. The defense did NOT do an adequate job at it. I think it will be very hard for the jury to determine that Ross forgot Cooper---so the only other possible reason is deliberation.

In all, the defense case was very, very weak. I felt the prosecution was also weak, so the question is, who the heck did a better job with their mediocre presentations.

I will say that rebuttal witness really topped off the trial.

I will say that until today, I thought malice would be a stretch. However, the defense did not adequately put the forgotten baby theory OUT THERE so that regular folks (like the jury) would buy into it. I think we will get a malice murder verdict. I really do.

I would be surprised to see a guilty malice murder verdict, but I could actually vote for malice murder. I was not comfortable with that until last evening. Dr. Brewer's testimony actually pointed out how unlikely it was that Ross forgot Copper. If Ross did not forget, he must have left him on purpose. Heading into this trial, I did not think that there would be a smoking gun so I actually thought that it would be impossible for them to prove intent/premeditation.

I think the DT's case was weak and believe that it helped the prosecution. I just don't think that the DT had much to work with, and they were recently thrown some unidentified curve ball.

 

[GA_Peach]

^^^ THIS^^^^----- It is really hard for me to get past this. That comment he posted---then it suddenly happens to his son? :no:

I know that you have posted this before, but neither of them did ANYTHING to prevent this from happening. It's just unbelievable. Literally unbelievable.

 

[Maisiebelle]

I've just realised. JRH has pleaded not guilty to all these charges, even though he knew there was concrete evidence about him sending the indecent images to underage girls. Wouldn't it have been better if he had pled (is that even a word?) to those charges?

 

[LyndyLoo]

I know that you have posted this before, but neither of them did ANYTHING to prevent this from happening. It's just unbelievable. Literally unbelievable.

I agree so much since there a load of advice to anyone fearful of such a thing happening....meanwhile..while there was some who basically locked up their kid in the car..went off drinking in some bar..and forgot all about their kid...That scenario doesn't even fit into Death by HOT CAR on that....BUT those who have been found NOT guilty ALL testified..only one was found guilty and it was a female..Once again females are held to a higher standard!!

ANyway, ..Ross's behaviour on day and previous acknowledgement of dangers..speaks volumes as to Ross's disregard ....What does jump out to me is his blogging, chatting, snapchats that indicate his need to become a non-DAD..and never divorce because of his son..then his electronic retweets of such things as NEED to be Child free type stuff! Cost of support for child for next 16 years was his motive never mind the windfall of $27,000 on Insurance on Cooper ( which was precluded from being presented as evidence)!!


It's a real sad case..and Cooper should never ever be forgotten in all this stuff!! He loved his daddy..trusted his daddy..and what did he get?? Ross somehow justified his need to sext..and disregard his primary charge of protecting his child...For Ross, it was a necessary need to disregard Cooper and think of him as some sort of "Necessary loss" in order for him to survive....

As to his marriage..obviously he didn't respect his vows..yet he suggests he is some sort of Church Person!! Ross will be..most certainly when he meets his final Court Judgement!! IF he is truly Religious..HE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT!!

 

[NCTeacher]

^^^ THIS^^^^----- It is really hard for me to get past this. That comment he posted---then it suddenly happens to his son? :no:

YES, YES, YES. This is the exact moment my hand went to my mouth and I literally gasped. He foreshadowed his intentions. I don't care how much God hates you, nobody, and I mean nobody, has the planets aligned that perfectly against them. No way did their "biggest fear" come to fruition five days after Ross stated "it would be terrible if my son were in that car" after watching the vet video.

Malice, it will be malice--sometime next week, wait for it.

 

[momoftwocrazies]

I wasn't saying the judge did anything wrong lol Just thought it was funny

Just gave you my first like, or thanks I guess ! )) hahah

 

[Rayemonde]

Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that Ross intentionally left Cooper in the car. That makes him a cold-blooded killer. Killers don't always act in ways that make sense to the general population.

There are many examples of criminals leading LE to evidence of guilt. Under the "guise" of having nothing to hide, they give themselves away.

However, the fact remains that Ross is responsible for Cooper's death. For whatever reason, Ross offered up that leaving Cooper in the car was his greatest fear and that he was aware of the risks associated with kids (and pets) being left in hot cars. I have no idea why he would have said that - innocent or guilty.

Here's another thing that doesn't make sense to me. Ross's biggest fear was Cooper dying in a hot car. Leanna's biggest fear was Cooper dying in a hot car. They talked about this at home. They were aware of the risks. Ross watched a video about pets being left in cars. Ross stated that he would hate if that were his son. A mere five days later his son dies in a hot car. That doesn't make any sense to me. In fact, it defies all logic.

The recording of LH saying it was her biggest fear and they talked about it often is a game changer for me... When Ross said it was his biggest fear I thought he was just talking crap... But LH saying it too? And saying they talked about it often? Plus she sent him that email about a car death and said "Don't be this father". Plus the "I would hate it if that was my son" comment.

The only way I can see this making sense, apart from malice murder, is if RH had left Cooper in the car before, either accidentally or intentionally. That also explains the photos RH was taking of Cooper arriving at daycare and why LH immediately thought RH must have left Cooper in the car when he wasn't at daycare.

 

[turaj]

Since yesterday at lunchtime, I noticed he seemed checked out.

the is the strangest turn of events in a trial...major witness disappears...and as mentioned Kilgore checks out yesterday...I noticed it right away and mentioned it last night...he is downright nasty to Stockinger who did nothing but answer the qeustions. His cross of Stockinger was pointless...he seems defeated and knows he has nothing.

 

[turaj]

JRH is prepared for prison life, apparently, since he was already sexting men and may have met up with one or more. Maybe if sex addicted JRH lets them in often enough then, they will not kill him.

In the audio played of LH today, she answered questions about Cooper already in the past tense, as in, "He was going to turn two on his birthday".

she never asked to see her son...it is 100% human nature to want to make sure it is him and say good bye...that seals the deal for me...2 very unfeeling people and I will always wonder about her involvement. Good luck to her.

 

[NCTeacher]

Saying it was their biggest fear was a grave mistake on their part. Their story would be substantially more believable if they were completely dense on the subject matter, but it seems they "talked about it all the time" (really?), they were aware of all the latest research and news on it, amateur experts, if you will, and then one of them forgets him in the car. It was so much on Ross's mind that he even watched a video on dogs in hot cars--and makes the leap to thinking about his child in that car (he's got a dog and instead of imagining his dog in the car, he imagines his son?), broadcasts a meme of how he hates being married with kids, and even though he loves his son, he needs an escape----and his son dies in a hot car just a mere five days after posting on you tube about his son being in a hot car. Wait! I thought it one of his greatest fears and incontrovertibly was on his mine in the previous few days---wouldn't he of all people be more aware? One doesn't need strong inferential skills for this one...

 

[turaj]

I would be surprised to see a guilty malice murder verdict, but I could actually vote for malice murder. I was not comfortable with that until last evening. Dr. Brewer's testimony actually pointed out how unlikely it was that Ross forgot Copper. If Ross did not forget, he must have left him on purpose. Heading into this trial, I did not think that there would be a smoking gun so I actually thought that it would be impossible for them to prove intent/premeditation.

I think the DT's case was weak and believe that it helped the prosecution. I just don't think that the DT had much to work with, and they were recently thrown some unidentified curve ball.

yes i mentioned last night what a good witness Brewer was for the state. Not so many here tonight singing his praises. Terrible end for the defense.

 

[monkeypants]

she never asked to see her son...it is 100% human nature to want to make sure it is him and say good bye...that seals the deal for me...2 very unfeeling people and I will always wonder about her involvement. Good luck to her.

3 years ago I got a call from my brother that my healthy mom dropped dead on her birthday. I dropped to the floor screaming and my husband had to take the phone from me to find out what was happening. Then he had to lay on the floor with me to try to calm and soothe me. I had just spoken to her along with my kids so I kept arguing with my brother that he was insane. I couldn't wrap my head around something that sudden in a million years. I was on a plane immediately so I could see her and say goodbye and come to terms and start to accept it.

That was my MOTHER if it was my child I would have passed out or been so hysterical they would have had to call a dr.

In my real life I am a pretty stone cold beyotch. I don't show feelings etc....but when something so devastating happens it is human nature to shed a tear or react even in anger or scream or .....idk SOMETHING. LH was so squirrelly to me something just doesnt sit right at all. I can't put my finger on it but it's the little hairs on the back of your neck thing.

If that was my baby? You wouldn't ever ever get me to believe you until I saw it with my own eyes

 

[LyndyLoo]

she never asked to see her son...it is 100% human nature to want to make sure it is him and say good bye...that seals the deal for me...2 very unfeeling people and I will always wonder about her involvement. Good luck to her.

Its a well known fact, that when loved ones never visualize their deceased kids..that they for some reason never really come to terms to with death. While at the moment LeAnne didn't ask to see her beloved son..I would never accuse her of not caring..BUT her priority was to see her husband at THAT time. Ross was anything but a trustworthy husband...after the fact 9 it became clear for her)..BUT at that time she just refused to believe he did this .. So no stone throwing by me..It's just very unusual!! especially with a toddler!! The innocent!!

My job really did teach me a lot about human conditions when it comes to death and dying..and believe me denial is one huge part of what LeANNE was going thru!! BUT in the end..Ross ruined her life..etc as she stated at the end of her testimony..and changed her surname so she could start a new life!! But she will never forget it..and no doubt find it impossible to TRUST again like she did back over half decade ago!!!

LeAnne unwittingly (as it turned out) enabled Ross..Ross was an imposter..She never really knew the depth and breadth of his depravity that would end in Cooper's death!! I don't blame Leanne so much as Blame Ross for his deceptions and depravity to put himself above his own flesh and blood!! Call me OLD FASHION!!

 

[turaj]

watching this afternoon jury instructions note that Kilgore is not there...guess he is working on his closing? He will need to regain his confidence to be able to close effectively...I assume he is glad there is a weekend.

 

[turaj]

3 years ago I got a call from brother that my healthy mom dropped dead on her birthday. I dropped to the floor screaming and my husband had to take the phone from me to find out what was happening. Then he had to lay on the floor with me to try to calm and soothe me. I had just spoken to her along with my kids so I kept arguing with my brother that he was insane. I couldn't wrap my head around something that sudden in a million years. I was on a plane immediately so I could see her and say goodbye and come to terms and start to accept it.

That was my MOTHER if it was my child I would have passed out or been so hysterical they would have had to call a dr.

In my real life I am a pretty stone cold beyotch. I don't show feelings etc....but when something so devastating happens it human nature to shed a tear or react even in anger or scream or .....idk SOMETHING. LH was so squirrelly to me something just doesnt sit right at all. I can't put my finger on it but it's the little hairs on the back of your neck thing.

If that was my baby? You wouldn't ever ever get me to believe you until I saw it with my own eyes

that is my thought...with a sudden death like this I would think there is a tendancy to simply not believe it and need to see proof ...especially with a husband like RH.

 

[LibertyandJustice4]

I agree so much since there a load of advice to anyone fearful of such a thing happening....meanwhile..while there was some who basically locked up their kid in the car..went off drinking in some bar..and forgot all about their kid...That scenario doesn't even fit into Death by HOT CAR on that....BUT those who have been found NOT guilty ALL testified..only one was found guilty and it was a female..Once again females are held to a higher standard!!

ANyway, ..Ross's behaviour on day and previous acknowledgement of dangers..speaks volumes as to Ross's disregard ....What does jump out to me is his blogging, chatting, snapchats that indicate his need to become a non-DAD..and never divorce because of his son..then his electronic retweets of such things as NEED to be Child free type stuff! Cost of support for child for next 16 years was his motive never mind the windfall of $27,000 on Insurance on Cooper ( which was precluded from being presented as evidence)!!


It's a real sad case..and Cooper should never ever be forgotten in all this stuff!! He loved his daddy..trusted his daddy..and what did he get?? Ross somehow justified his need to sext..and disregard his primary charge of protecting his child...For Ross, it was a necessary need to disregard Cooper and think of him as some sort of "Necessary loss" in order for him to survive....

As to his marriage..obviously he didn't respect his vows..yet he suggests he is some sort of Church Person!! Ross will be..most certainly when he meets his final Court Judgement!! IF he is truly Religious..HE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT!!

I agree with everything you said. It just fits so clearly to me: his behavioral pattern showed disregard for his faith and family. He worshipped at the altar of his own image imo, and someone with that kind of lack of conscience would totally try to get out of paying child support in any way he could, also imo. It's hard for people who aren't narcissistic or sociopaths to understand, but once you've lived with someone like that, you can spot them a mile away and nothing, nothing they do out of selfishness can surprise you.

 

[monkeypants]

that is my thought...with a sudden death like this I would think there is a tendancy to simply not believe it and need to see proof ...especially with a husband like RH.

Like the LEO said today, in his 20+ years of being on duty he had never seen a mother react that way. That's pretty powerful imo.

 

[turaj]

Like the LEO said today, in his 20+ years of being on duty he had never seen a mother react that way. That's pretty powerful imo.

he was a powerful witness and I think Leanna is a very lucky lady that she was not further implicated. Even in her first meeting with RH..no mention of Cooper. I am glad this trial is over and soon jury will get it...tired of hearing this bs about RH being such a great father.