Trial - Ross Harris #9

[Paige SC]

If you smell urine in your car, and you have a small child, you pretty much KNOW the source immediately.

Except it wasn't urine. It was a dead baby in a boiling hot car inches away from RH's snout.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

First thing one would do, IMO< is to turn at look at the car seat, if one smelled urine in the car. No need to search for an old diaper---just look a few inches to the right and back---

Maybe. No way to know for sure. JMO

 

[just the facts pls]

THIS. This has always been one of the biggest issues for me. Along with the proximity of the seat accompanied with RH size.
It just defies logic to me that he didn't see him, feel his presence, etc.. In the 33 seconds alone in the car with him, when he reached to his right to get his briefcase and drink, when he got back IN the car (possibly having to move the lightbulbs to put onto passenger seat and place his briefcase into the passenger side floor.
ALL the rest of it - the MANY "unlucky" coincidences of the day and the double life, the strange behavior in the recordings, are all just extra things piling onto those facts.
I didn't have any pre trial bias as I didn't hear/see the coverage here (I "heard" about the case initially, but not the media bias stuff that a lot of people were exposed to).
Just can't really get past the car stuff.
JMO


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I agree, that car wasn't just small it was impossibly small for me to believe Cooper couldn't be seen, felt, heard, smelled, ect.

 

[monkeypants]

If it did trigger a memory could it be something like "Oh damn, I think I left a diaper in the car again." JMO

Odd I don't recall that testimony where he says he leaves dirty diapers in the car. I only recall multiple reports of witness testifying there was a smell of sorts.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Maybe it would trigger a memory or maybe it wouldn't. JMO

The only way it WOULD NOT trigger a memory is if one has NEVER smelled it before. In 22 months..it is certainly something Ross HAD SMELLED before > since he was such a great DAD and all..changing diapers, giving baths to or just plain going into the nursery following a long nap. IF he didn't ever experience that smell before..then of course his hands on care for his son was all a LIE too!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Odd I don't recall that testimony where he says he leaves dirty diapers in the car. I only recall multiple reports of witness testifying there was a smell of sorts.

I'm not saying that it did happen. I'm saying it's possible. The jury will only have the testimony that there was the smell of urine. JMO.

 

[minor4th]

They offered NO explanation of why most smelled something but their client smelled NOTHING. Pointing out that no two people smelled something identical doesn't cast doubt on whether or not there was an odor. An odor noticed by everyone except the dude who was IN the car. Either you have to doubt a smell existed (does anyone?) or wonder why RH didn't offer up a reason why he wouldn't have detected it. Or, concede there was a smell, RH noticed it and didn't bother to take a quick look-see around the car because.....

I think Kilgore addressed this adequately. The only two who noted such a strong smell were two police who didn't even make a report of it til a year later. Other witnesses stated they did not notice a smell at all including Stoddard and Grimstead and the guy initially helping with CPR who helped take Cooper out of the car. To say that it's impossible that Ross smelled nothing, you have to completely ignore these witnesses' testimony.

When interviewing Ross, no one asked "hey didn't you notice that overwhelming death smell when you got in your car?

In the many other cases of parents forgetting their children in hit cars all day, there is not a single one I have read about where the parent was alerted to their tragic mistake by the death smell when they entered their car at the end of the day. Not a single one! Are all of those parents also guilty of premeditated murder because it's impossible they didn't smell the strong odor that must have been there?

 

[just the facts pls]

Odd I don't recall that testimony where he says he leaves dirty diapers in the car. I only recall multiple reports of witness testifying there was a smell of sorts.

Come to think of it, I can't remember any parent I've known that left a dirty diaper in their car.

I can't imagine anyone just driving around with a dirty diaper stinking up the car, either.

Yeesh. Does that stuff really happen?

 

[Inthedetails]

Speaking of smells, I just made brownies. I'd share with all of you, if I could. In the meantime, it smells good at my place.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Speaking of smells, I just made brownies. I'd share with all of you, if I could. In the meantime, it smells good at my place.

What brownies? Because you smell then and I don't they don't exist.

Isn't that right, Kilgore?

 

[katydid23]

Maybe. No way to know for sure. JMO

IF you asked a hundred parents of toddlers, if they smelled urine in their car, what would it most likely be from. I think the majority would think it would be coming from a child with a wet diaper. Very very few parents ever leave a wet diaper in their car. We go to great lengths to throw that potentially disastrous thing out immediately because it smells so bad if left in a hot, closed up car.

 

[monkeypants]

I think Kilgore addressed this adequately. The only two who noted such a strong smell were two police who didn't even make a report of it til a year later. Other witnesses stated they did not notice a smell at all including Stoddard and Grimstead and the guy initially helping with CPR who helped take Cooper out of the car. To say that it's impossible that Ross smelled nothing, you have to completely ignore these witnesses' testimony. Li

When interviewing Ross, no one asked "hey didn't you notice that overwhelming death smell when you got in your car?

In the many other cases of parents forgetting their children in hit cars all day, there is not a single one I have read about where the parent was alerted to their tragic mistake by the death smell when they entered their car at the end of the day. Not a single one! Are all of those parents also guilty of premeditated murder because it's impossible they didn't smell the strong odor that must have been there?

Actually not ONE witness opened the door to that car after it had been locked shut and registering approx 130 degrees at some point and got in and closed the door And smelled it. There is zero evidence that Ross, as he drove the long way around to his destination, didn't use that opportunity to air out the car. Then prior to arriving his chosen location to pull over he closed the windows thereby significantly reducing the odor.

 

[Gardenista]

I think Kilgore addressed this adequately. The only two who noted such a strong smell were two police who didn't even make a report of it til a year later. Other witnesses stated they did not notice a smell at all including Stoddard and Grimstead and the guy initially helping with CPR who helped take Cooper out of the car. To say that it's impossible that Ross smelled nothing, you have to completely ignore these witnesses' testimony.

When interviewing Ross, no one asked "hey didn't you notice that overwhelming death smell when you got in your car?

In the many other cases of parents forgetting their children in hit cars all day, there is not a single one I have read about where the parent was alerted to their tragic mistake by the death smell when they entered their car at the end of the day. Not a single one! Are all of those parents also guilty of premeditated murder because it's impossible they didn't smell the strong odor that must have been there?

I read an article about the pre-trial hearing and the judge said there was the stench of death in the car. They need to clean up their system--bunch of liars down there.

 

[just the facts pls]

What brownies? Because you smell then and I don't they don't exist.

Isn't that right, Kilgore?

Brilliant! :laughing:

 

[minor4th]

Actually not ONE witness opened the door to that car after it had been locked shut and registering approx 130 degrees at some point and got in and closed the door And smelled it. There is zero evidence that Ross, as he drove the long way around to his destination, didn't use that opportunity to air out the car. Then prior to arriving his chosen location to pull over he closed the windows thereby significantly reducing the odor.

You didn't address anything I said in my post.

 

[Inthedetails]

IF you asked a hundred parents of toddlers, if they smelled urine in their car, what would it most likely be from. I think the majority would think it would be coming from a child with a wet diaper. Very very few parents ever leave a wet diaper in their car. We go to great lengths to throw that potentially disastrous thing out immediately because it smells so bad if left in a hot, closed up car.

Plus, if you smelled a diaper - even if you thought you dropped your child at daycare - wouldn't you glance around to see where the diaper was? Isn't that reflexive? Or do you stare straight ahead, neck muscles and eye muscles completely stiff and unmoving? Weird response to a smell.

jmopinion

 

[blue22]

Come to think of it, I can't remember any parent I've known that left a dirty diaper in their car.

I can't imagine anyone just driving around with a dirty diaper stinking up the car, either.

Yeesh. Does that stuff really happen?

Only if you're Ross. The gosh darn unluckiest loving dad on the planet.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

IF you asked a hundred parents of toddlers, if they smelled urine in their car, what would it most likely be from. I think the majority would think it would be coming from a child with a wet diaper. Very very few parents ever leave a wet diaper in their car. We go to great lengths to throw that potentially disastrous thing out immediately because it smells so bad if left in a hot, closed up car.

I stand by my post.

 

[Hope4More]

There are videos of Caylee Anthony acting like that with her mom as her mom wrestles with her on the floor. In any event, I can get a baby who doesn't know me to act like that within 10 minutes or so of meeting me. Not persuasive.

Ross Harris is not Casey Anthony, rolling on the floor with a child is not the same thing as sitting face to face and actually interacting, and most importantly- the State could obviously not locate a single witness of any kind, online or in real life, to come in and testify Ross was ever anything other a loving father.

The DT didn't have to prove RH was a good father, the State needed to prove RH cared so little about Cooper he could kill him while sexting happily away.

Epic fail. I believe my own eyes, and the evidence I heard and did not hear in court.

 

[Bc007]

I think both closings a were good. I think the defense was smart not to ask for not quiltiea on the sex related charges. What was weird to me- in Boring's closing I felt like he was super confusing when discussing these charges. At one point I feel like he said one of the crimes
"wasn't fully completed " or something like that. I was lost in his explanation but that one part stuck out at me.