Trial - Ross Harris #9

[MzOpinion8d]

OK, so because one thinks Ross is lying and distorting things, I should give him the benefit of the doubt? I am supposed to figure out which things he is being dishonest about and use that as a reason to think he is not guilty? :thinking:

Right? So we're supposed to believe Ross would make things up to cover his @$$ for sexting minors, but is completely honest about causing his son's death? Please.

 

[Hope4More]

And that's coincidentally something that screams at me. To take a video from a vet, speaking about leaving animals in the car - he took the time to comment and associate it to his child mere days before he did that very thing.

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Clicked on the video, commented on it, didn't erase his tracks, then made sure he told LE all about it.

There doesn't seem to be any middle ground on this one. You (et al) see that as evidence of guilt, and I see it precisely the opposite way ("that he never believed he'd be caught" doesn't fly for me), and never the twain shall meet.

 

[monkeypants]

I don't think those recordings make him seem suspicious or bizarre to most people who weren't already convinced he was guilty.

His behavior was exactly like every other parent who accidentally killed their child this way.

Respectively agree to disagree. Imo it's been totally different than the avg.

 

[EquallyDivided]

Absolutely! That's what I don't understand. Why on earth would anyone choose this method to murder a child?

It makes no sense to me at all. If this is a premeditated murder, here's a guy who works in IT, he could have factory reset his phone anytime, prior to committing this master crime...

There are so many things that fairly scream that RH had no idea he was going to be looked at, or scutinized, which is pretty basic knowledge if your child dies in your care.

Disregarding the total ridiculousness of this 'plan' for anyone to try and pull off, I can't find one single case of anyone, ever, being convicted of premeditated murder of a child by Hot Car Death. Not one.
So Ross is the first parent ever?

I whole-heartedly believe RH took a completely hands off approach to getting rid of Cooper. I believe he gave him a "last supper" much like when you know your pet is dying, and you fulfill that last hurrah. I believe the 30 seconds of sitting in the car at the HD parking lot was a little "I'll always love you" pep talk.

I believe that's also why RH didn't call 911 and had someone else do it. I also watch RH in the back of the cop car also couldn't believe he wasn't bawling the entire time, it seemed he cried out and overly posture when he caught someone's attention or when they were looking in his direction. For some reason, I continually waited for him to rest his head on the seat, to crumble - but it never happened.

I see "Darwin Award" winners ALL THE TIME when I conduct federal investigations. People committing criminal acts do some of the dumbest things you can imagine, every one of them believe they are smarter than the system. Every one of them think their story is completely plausible, but they forget about the "probable" part.

Guranteed, had he deleted everything it would have looked far worse, and his apps that were "hidden" was good enough to fool a suspecting wife - I think he truly believed LE was just as inept - and actually were a bit thrown off until they got the appropriate program to cull all the information they found.

ALL MOO!

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[Hope4More]

Right? So we're supposed to believe Ross would make things up to cover his @$$ for sexting minors, but is completely honest about causing his son's death? Please.

Works for me, though I wouldn't say "completely honest, " and haven't, for that matter. He knew he was guilty of crimes involving minors, knew the consequences, and knew the police had the evidence against him in their possession- his phone. He also knew he was responsible for Cooper's death, but that it wasn't deliberate. Which one was more of a worry?

 

[MzOpinion8d]

"Even Stoddard" said Ross was faking it? Lol...

That was your best response to my comment? It's clear in the video that he's not producing any fluid during his "emotion". We all know how much you hate Stoddard for telling it like it is when it comes to JRH. My point was that when he was asked that very question, about Ross's "emotional display" he stated under oath that he did not see a need for Kleenex.

What exactly has Stoddard lied about during the current testimony? All of his other testimony has either been proven or was misinformation and not an outright lie.

 

[Paige SC]

Since I haven't watched the trial other than for LT's testimony, can someone please tell me:‎

Aside from LT, the in laws & biological family, how many people were character witnesses for the defense? Who were they & what was their history/relation to RH?

 

[arkansasmimi]

Just one quick question than I'll retire to just reading again.

I know there have been post after post about the wrong measurements of Cooper and car seat. Can somebody tell me just how far they are off? Are we talking 1/2 inch or 5 inches?

TIA

To the point. AR discrepancy not addressed. Grimstead testimony on the measurements on Car seat, you would have to relisten to testimony.



Where CSI Grimetead points to as the "top" of his measurement

1st doll used (not one in scans) but one Grimstead used 7/2/14 and incorrect car seat settings

Cooper head position 4/20/14

**per ME his head would have been slumped over when found not up like these photos of doll and 4/20/14 *lividity showed that.

 

[turaj]

RBBM, I agree. We also saw the Def team time and time again ruled against of big and trivial things. Kilgore made that point couple times as he objected to Direct of Stockinger. How State was allowed to have sustained objections and now how time and time again Def objections were overruled. How could the Def not be frustrated? Surely the jury picked up on some of these things. Closing will be interesting to say the least. JMHO

there is no question the judge did not even attempt to balance things out in terms of overruling objections etc. and was blatently pro prosecution...I think it is the most obvious I have even seen in a trial. The jury had to see that...at times it made DT look incompetent and they are far from that. Lots of things combined at the implosion of the case and its quck shut down but one has to think Kilgore is at the point where any objection or request will probably not be granted but he has to make them for the record. He did get the seat into the courtroom. For sure the judge is hoping those jurors do not want to see the car again...she mentioned the tow truck and then they will have to reinstall the seat...then they will fight about its position etc. but I think jurors are going to want to view that again and just the car seat would not do it for me.

 

[turaj]

Since I haven't watched the trial other than for LT's testimony, can someone please tell me:‎

Aside from LT, the in laws & biological family, how many people were character witnesses for the defense? Who were they & what was their history/relation to RH?

there were some co workers...a long time friend that was his accountability buddy for the sex addiction...most had ties to his church and the cross of all of them brought out the fact that they had no idea of the extra life or in some cases the extent of his sex issues. Alll raved about his being a great dad.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Just tossing around possibilities here:

Defense might have decided to call Brewer instead of Diamond as a strategic option. The State has believed Diamond was going to testify for months or longer. They got a whole file from the FBI, presumably with material that could be used to impeach Diamond or try to smear him. The materials could have even included transcripts from Diamond's testimony in other trials. And maybe there was something in there that would have been detrimental to Ross' defense.

Brewer, on the other hand, is a relative newcomer and the State would have had little or no info on him to impeach. Although not as polished as Diamond, he delivered essentially the same information. And the State was not able to impeach him with his prior statements. They might have been trying to do that, however, by asking him if he got all his info from Diamond.

I mean ...its possible.

I do not think a nationally recognized expert would have pulled out at the last minute. That would have made him less valuable as an expert witness in future cases.

I think that whatever happened was something the defense had at least anticipated because they did have a backup expert to fill in. Maybe they just had to make the final decision at the last moment when they got the FBI file.

Do we know for sure the defense got to look at the FBI file? I thought Staley ruled it did not have to be turned over to the defense.

State was "getting that info to Def" on Wed, and turned it in to the AFTER Judge after the Def said didn't have anymore witnesses after lunch Thurs.

Also I would have to go back and listen to Brewer testimony for both Direct and Cross, but it appeared to me that Brewer had been speaking prior with the Defense longer than Aug 16, 2016 Hearing, and had spoken to the State also and didn't appear to me that he was orig a witness in place of Dr Diamond. JMHO more like an addition to.

 

[Hope4More]

That was your best response to my comment? It's clear in the video that he's not producing any fluid during his "emotion". We all know how much you hate Stoddard for telling it like it is when it comes to JRH. My point was that when he was asked that very question, about Ross's "emotional display" he stated under oath that he did not see a need for Kleenex.

What exactly has Stoddard lied about during the current testimony? All of his other testimony has either been proven or was misinformation and not an outright lie.

Yes, that's my best answer. .

And, I don't "hate" Stoddard for testifying under oath and providing "misinformation," nor do I "hate" him for rushing to judgement, fishing for evidence to support his assumptions, ignoring evidence that didn't fit his conclusions, and presiding over a grossly tainted LE investigation. Though it is fair to say I find him contemptible, as I do anyone in a position of power who abuses the public's trust.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I’ve resolved the Dr. Diamond question, for myself anyway.

When trial began, Dr. Diamond was still on the table to be called. By October 20. When Kilgore indicated to Staley his case would last just 5-6 days, Kilgore was uncertain if he would call Diamond, but probably had already lined up Brewer as a replacement if he chose not to call Diamond.

That Kilgore, after trial began, doesn’t seem to have pursued the issue of having Dr. Diamond testify as to RH’s statements without RH testifying himself suggests to me that Kilgore was already leaning towards not calling Diamond.

I don’t believe that Kilgore would have advised RH to testify for any reason, even if it was the case RH had to testify to bring in Diamond, and that the DT thought Diamond essential.

IMO Kilgore concluded sometime between the State resting and after Brewer’s testimony that Diamond’s testimony could harm RH more than it could assist, because the State could and would use Diamond, “THE expert” on FBS, to point how inconsistent the facts of RH’s case were to other FBS cases.

Mystery solved, at least for me. At least until proven otherwise.

10/20/16 <<<was a Thurs. But what of the FBI BAU info that the State made Def aware of having since >> Nov 5 2015 << and Stoddard doing a report on that info.
Def 10/24/16 Monday <<< (a found out same morning as they did about the rescan of car seat.

 

[Cardinal47]

Since I haven't watched the trial other than for LT's testimony, can someone please tell me:&#8206;

Aside from LT, the in laws & biological family, how many people were character witnesses for the defense? Who were they & what was their history/relation to RH?

His Half Brother and SIL a few fellows he worked with and one neighbor that was friends with Leanna.

I think what I have noticed most of all is that Ross Harris has had not one person sit behind him in court. That would really puzzle me if I was a juror.

The worst of the worst have had family stand by them. Think Casey Anthony, Jody Arias, OJ, Scott Peterson and Vanderbilt. They all were supported by their families.

 

[Hope4More]

10/20/16 <<<was a Thurs. But what of the FBI BAU info that the State made Def aware of having since >> Nov 5 2015 << and Stoddard doing a report on that info.
Def 10/24/16 Monday <<< (a found out same morning as they did about the rescan of car seat.

Sorry, I don't understand the question....

 

[Cardinal47]

To the point. AR discrepancy not addressed. Grimstead testimony on the measurements on Car seat, you would have to relisten to testimony.

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Where CSI Grimetead points to as the "top" of his measurement View attachment 104200

1st doll used (not one in scans) but one Grimstead used 7/2/14 and incorrect car seat settings View attachment 104202

Cooper head position 4/20/14View attachment 104203

**per ME his head would have been slumped over when found not up like these photos of doll and 4/20/14 *lividity showed that.

Thank you. I have watched trial each day but to this day I do not know what the discrepancy is? I'm thinking that is also confusing to jurors.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Yes, but that implies a longer term, more strategic decision. It was a last minute (as in during lunch break) decision as far as we can tell. They were talking about a witness with 50 slides and then - poof - nothing burger.

This ^^ and in context with what had been going on prior day(s) and that morning prior to Brewer testimony.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Thank you. I have watched trial each day but to this day I do not know what the discrepancy is? I'm thinking that is also confusing to jurors.

I thinking the Def will make it somewhat clearer they are going to use the Car Seat in Closing

 

[Cardinal47]

I have been reading here and several other places covering the death of little Cooper and the trial of his father Ross. I find a lot of interesting comments but all differing. Many believe it was planned but many think it was an accident.

If the jury is divided like those posting about this case I don't see them being able to come to a verdict on six of the charges. I do think they have what they need on the under aged sexting counts.

So my question is this. If they are hung on six but find guilty on two will there be a retrial on the six? Or is it over just finding on the two?

Sorry it's confusing.

 

[SuperTmo]

This one ^^ seems like a tragic accident. She is bathing the babies, smoke alarm goes off, sees smoke in the kitchen from burning food---tries to deal with that EMERGENCY---totally understandable she might forget about her other baby.

I would give her a pass. And unlike the other 3 examples, this woman did not seem to have been charged with a crime. I think that was the right call.

This is absolutely heartbreaking and I would give this parent a pass.