Trial Thread 10 May 2012 - Judge's Instructions and maybe deliberations!

[captaincanada]

FACTS that can not and have not been disputed:

(1) Tori Stafford was kidnapped by TLM from Oliver Stephens school and brought to MR's car waiting down the road at a nursing home.
(2) MR was driving that car and was on video driving the same car by the school that day numerous times.
(3) MR and TLM drove to the Guelph Home Depot with Tori in the back where the murder weapon (hammer) was purchased by TLM with cash that MR just withdrew.
(4) MR waited outside Home Depot with Tori in the back seat.
(5) MR drove from Guelph to a dead end path on a rural side road near Mount Forest, an area he was familiar with, five minutes from where he used to work.
(6) Tori stafford was murdered at that location. Murder weapon identified as a hammer.
(7) Her blood was found in MR's car and on his gymbag.
(8) MR helped cover up the murder and get rid of evidence of the crime.
(9) Tori was found with no underwear/pants or skirt on.
(10) MR continued to keep in close contact with TLM and continued to lie to the police and hide his involvement.

Michael Raffety and Terri-Lynne McClintic are both GUILTY of kidnapping and murdering Tori Stafford.

Rafferty offered no defense to the events of the day except a hint from his lawyer that he was "duped" by TLM and that Tori was taken by TLM and killed for an unconfirmed drug debt. If that is the case, at what point did he realize he was being duped? If during the kidnapping, then he is guilty, if not until after the murder, it is beyond reasonable.

It is beyond reasonable to conclude that a 28 yr old man would wait down the street while TLM picked up a girl from school, only to drive to Guelph, give TLM money to buy a hammer, drive to an area that only he was familiar with, go down a dirt path in a rural field, watch TLM kill a little girl and say "oops, I was duped!". Then proceed to cover up the crime and go visit TLM in the detention center to cuddle and give her hugs.

No amount of rationalizing over the minute details can leave one to believe that Michael Rafferty was an innocent dupe.

This case is as clear as day. GUILTY on all accounts!

 

[robynhood]

AM980_Court False or misleading statements to police are evidence of post offense conduct. Rafferty did give some.

 

[Sailor Bug]

Jurors, if they find Rafferty lied to police May 15th, could use that as evidence.

RaffertyLFP: Heeney says evidence that purchase of garbage bag to dispose of Tori's body could be circumstantial evidence of pre-existing plan

 

[robynhood]

AM980_Court On post offense conduct, Heeney says covering tracks for one crime dormant mean an accused was covering tracks for all charges they face

 

[robynhood]

RaffertyLFP Heeney says evidence that purchase of garbage bag to dispose of Tori's body could be circumstantial evidence of pre-existing plan

 

[Sailor Bug]

Heeney notes that evidence was thrown away after the murder, at the Cambridge car wash. Going over McClintic's testimony

Also going over McClintic's testimony about their discussions at Genest. Rafferty shakes his head when "conjugal visits" quote is bright up.

RaffertyLFP: Heeney now going over testimony from expert witnesses

RaffertyLFP: Heeney is going over highlights of McClintic's testimony - reading these to jury

 

[Thinkzerz]

Heeney notes that evidence was thrown away after the murder, at the Cambridge car wash. Going over McClintic's testimony

No cash wash was found that TLM talked about. Just saying....

 

[Thinkzerz]

Heeney notes that evidence was thrown away after the murder, at the Cambridge car wash. Going over McClintic's testimony

No cash wash was found that TLM talked about. Just saying....
MR should tell his lawyer where the items are to clear him if he is truly innocent. DNA on that stuff should prove it. JMO

 

[robynhood]

...INTERESTING news INFO from cp24 outside court...reporter said ...

once the JURY is suquestered they will be working from 9am - 9pm with breaks naturally as reporter said it is VERY IMPORTANT they came to a verdict and to use all the time to reach a conclusively decision soon ....obviously they want a clear conclusion as the jury will be in isolation... I am Posting this as there has been many questios here ....cp24 says they are GIVING UPDATE coverage now and are outside London court!....robynhood

 

[CarrieBean]

No cash wash was found that TLM talked about. Just saying....
MR should tell his lawyer where the items are to clear him if he is truly innocent. DNA on that stuff should prove it. JMO

He should have, but didn't. What does that tell us?

 

[robynhood]

RaffertyLFP Heeney is going over highlights of McClintic's testimony - reading these to jury

 

[robynhood]

AM980_Court Rafferty told police he never saw McClintic wearing a white jacket, and that they never had sex.

 

[CarrieBean]

...INTERESTING news INFO from cp24 outside court...reporter said ...

once the JURY is suquestered they will be working from 9am - 9pm with breaks naturally as reporter said it is VERY IMPORTANT they came to a verdict and to use all the time to reach a conclusively decision soon ....obviously they want a clear conclusion as the jury will be in isolation... I am Posting this as there has been many questios here ....cp24 says they are GIVING UPDATE coverage now and are outside London court!....robynhood

Thank you!

 

[Thinkzerz]

He should have, but didn't. What does that tell us?

Maybe he did but it is gone to a dump. But lets face it this guy is going to jail for 25 years. But would he get 22 years because he has been in jail for 3 so far?

 

[Sailor Bug]

Rafferty told police he never saw McClintic wearing a white jacket, and that they never had sex.

RaffertyLFP: Heeney is continuing to read out summaries of testimony from various witnessess





It's only 11.18...and it is already been a looooooooong day

God Bless this JURY

 

[Flossie JMO]

No cash wash was found that TLM talked about. Just saying....
MR should tell his lawyer where the items are to clear him if he is truly innocent. DNA on that stuff should prove it. JMO

Could TLM have gotten rid of any items on her own? I have no idea but it's possible I suppose.

 

[brighidin]

No cash wash was found that TLM talked about. Just saying....
MR should tell his lawyer where the items are to clear him if he is truly innocent. DNA on that stuff should prove it. JMO

Yeah, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen. He's had since 2009. Just saying...

imo

 

[CarrieBean]

Maybe he did but it is gone to a dump. But lets face it this guy is going to jail for 25 years. But would he get 22 years because he has been in jail for 3 so far?

Not sure if he'd get credited for time served. I hope not. Honestly, I hope he never makes it out of jail.

 

[robynhood]

RaffertyLFP Heeney is continuing to read out summaries of testimony from various witnessess

 

[otto]

Cristina Tenaglia ‏ @cristina_CHCHTV
McClintic's guilty plea has no bearing on whether Michael Rafferty is guilty or not, says Justice Heeney

Cristina Tenaglia ‏ @cristina_CHCHTV
Justice Heeney says "there is no magic formula." Use your common sense when determining credibility of witness.

Cristina Tenaglia ‏ @cristina_CHCHTV
"It is up to you to determine how much you believe of what witness says- all, some or none." Justice Heeney

Cristina Tenaglia ‏ @cristina_CHCHTV
"In every courtroom trial there are two judges. I am one, you are the other." says Justice Heeney

Cristina Tenaglia ‏ @cristina_CHCHTV
Judge begins to tell jury re law they must follow as they make decision. #Rafferty (charge begins) "Many of my instructions are complex"

Cristina Tenaglia ‏ @cristina_CHCHTV
Jury enters courtroom. 9 women, 3 men. #Rafferty looks at jurors as they enter.

BBM

It is fantastic to see that a Canadian Judge is spelling this all out so clearly. During a recent trial in Italy, so much confusion was applied to the above bolded concept that one almost believed the concept came from Mars.