TRIAL Week One - Ross Harris 3 October 2016

[GA_Peach]

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LadyJustice2188 thanks for all the YouTube videos of #RossHarris trial
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** This one is interesting because it does speak about Dr. David Diamond. < He was also expert witness was used in a Judge case that left his son in hot car and died, 2015. Judge was acquitted this year. [video=youtube;ioQy6dtgan4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioQy6dtgan4[/video]

When did Det Stoddard? Testify? was it in these pretrial hearings or earlier? TIA

Yes, Detective Stoddard testified in the pretrial hearings. I can confirm that he testified at the August 19, 2016 hearing. WildAboutTrial.com has all of the archived hearings on their site. I think that you would appreciate watching Detective Stoddard's testimony. There was also discussion surrounding Dr. Ashgar (spelling) and the 3D simulation/video at that hearing.

http://www.wildabouttrial.com/trial_videos/justin-ross-harris-pre-trial-archive/

 

[arkansasmimi]

Yes, Detective Stoddard testified in the pretrial hearings. I can confirm that he testified at the August 16, 2016 hearing. WildAboutTrial.com has all of the archived hearings on their site. I think that you would appreciate watching Detective Stoddard's testimony. There was also discussion surrounding Dr. Ashgar (spelling) and the 3D simulation/video at that hearing.

Yes THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! Hugs Mimi

 

[DeDee]

Ross could walk from CFA to the intersection in 30 seconds... maybe 60 seconds if he is really slow! As Judy said, CFA is practically in the intersection. Another point to consider is that Ross's turn lane decision is about halfway between turning out of CFA and reaching the intersection. I would not be surprised if was 20 seconds (at most) from the time JRH pulled out of CFA until Ross passed the point where the turn lane begins.

I think that the prosecution withdrew the motion for a field trip to the various crime scenes. I am of the opinion that no juror would find JRH "not guilty" if they saw each of the relevant locations. The layout is so damning. It'd impossible to put into words.

Thank you. I will need to watch this soon. I am currently watching the morning witnesses.

WARNING MORNING SPOILER ALERT

My first shock this morning was that Cooper's every day school back pack was left at home as shown in the video of the interior of the Hs home.

You read that correctly. Cooper's school bag was left at home the day he suffered death in a hot car while his dad was forgetting to drop Cooper at his school.

 

[minor4th]

I find the number of civilians and law enforcement that have testified to the exact same thing in regards to Harris faking his emotions strange. After so many, something started to seem a little off about it. I'm not suggesting all are lying. I think it's possible this got started by one member of LE. IMO

When you have certain aspects line up perfectly like that, you do start to wonder if a narrative is being pushed. 2 years later the witnesses remember the narrative better than they remember what they actually observed.

So far none of the reports and statements that were given at the time of the incident state that Ross was doing anything suspicious or noted their observations that his emotions were not sincere. In fact some of the police reports said he displayed little or no emotion, and that's what they thought was odd. Others said he was too hysterical so it must have been contrived. None of the police testimony matches what they said in their reports at the time of the incident.

 

[minor4th]

WARNING MORNING SPOILER ALERT

My first shock this morning was that Cooper's every day school back pack was left at home as shown in the video of the interior of the Hs home.

You read that correctly. Cooper's school bag was left at home the day he suffered death in a hot car while his dad was forgetting to drop Cooper at his school.

Was there testimony that it was his everyday school bag? I didn't hear anything like that. There was just a picture that included a cars backpack sitting on the floor.

 

[Maisiebelle]

This picture may help put these locations into perspective. It is a screenshot from Google Maps. For reference, "the little man" is standing in the intersection. The CFA where Cooper ate breakfast is circled on the left. Little Aprons, Cooper's daycare, is located next to the three buildings circled on the right. The daycare is attached to the far left building of The Home Depot's HQ, the three large buildings on the right.

Seeing how close the two places are I am really doubtful that RH 'forgot' to take Cooper to daycare. It's so close. How could he completely forget his little boy was in the back?!


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[SuzDuJour]

To me, when Ross was in the police car, he showed the same interest in traffic on the way to the station that he showed in the parking lot where the body of his child was. And his first words to Piper when she got in the car were about her career, not about what was happening with his son. I've seen this reflected in each of the witnesses so far.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I'm on page 13 out of 19 so sorry if this has been said already, but the other reason it was really important for JRH to listen to police is because they had no way of knowing that he wasn't talking to someone telling them to get rid of evidence. Since they didn't know any circumstances of Cooper's death, they had to secure the scene, so to speak.

Think of it this way: if JRH and Cooper were in a park and Cooper was shot in a drive by, when cops arrived on scene they would immediately want to talk to JRH to find out what happened so they could start finding the shooter.

Same thing, from a cop's perspective.

 

[Tanager]

This is terribly self-centered of me, but I just got home from work and I need to pick up a herd of kids from soccer soon and put food into them, so please, forgive me. I haven't seen any trial coverage for today, and I haven't read any of your comments or analysis today, either. I promise I will, though.

This little item is making me slightly obsessed, however, and I need to comment before I read back through whatever transpired today in the courtroom.

My obsession is the text saying, "When are you going to pick up my buddy?" or something similar. I've mentioned it before, but I'd never have an exchange like that with my husband. "Don't forget to pick up my buddy," or "Say hi to my buddy," maybe. I kind of don't give a rip exactly when my husband is picking my kids up, provided he doesn't forget to pick them up and we don't pay the late pick up fee. He knows I know when to pick them up, and I am more likely to remind him when he needs to pick them up. I understand that this division of responsibility is not necessarily the same in all marriages. However, Ross was going to a movie, so when his wife picks Cooper up is of no consequence to him at all. This text makes me think that he NEEDS to know when she'll be there so that he'll time his departure/the discovery accordingly. It fits well with him needing to leave extra early for the movie (they already have the tickets, and he has mentioned that he'll be late, if I recall correctly... so why is he leaving so early?) and with his obsession with speaking with the daycare before she gets there. He doesn't seem to want to talk to her on her phone- he wants a 3rd party to deliver the news. It also fits with the theory that he aborted a lunchtime discovery because his friends did not linger long enough or that, maybe, he parked where he hoped a stranger might make the discovery during the work day or why he pulls into a busy parking lot- he wants to distance himself or insert other people into the uncovering of the incident. Or, he completely forgot his child in the car, and these are just things that happened that day coincidentally. I understand that this is wholly conjecture.

To be fair, the defense has done well so far (particularly the opening statement) and I think I could still be persuaded that he is innocent. That said, I still can't find good reason for him to pose this question and it seems purposeful to me. I'm not a big texter, though, and every communication with my husband during my work day is about serious family schedule issues or "We're out of toilet paper!" kind of dilemmas we need to solve urgently, in spite of being very busy at work. Ross seems to have a far more casual relationship with the content on his devices and the frequency of his texts.

Thanks for indulging my need to blurt before catching up! Feel free to tell me I've gone off the deep end. That is what happens when I'm deprived of legit trial coverage for the day.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Was there testimony that it was his everyday school bag? I didn't hear anything like that. There was just a picture that included a cars backpack sitting on the floor.

I don't recall that testimony either. They were just going through the photos taken by the Witness Brad Shumpert, the CSI guy. Authenticating his photos. I took ss of things of interest to me. One being the backpack because IIRC they may have said something about but this witness didn't know anything, just taking photos (jmho per his testimony) But the Cars backpack was hanging on hook. I for some reason can't get the photo to upload, will try again.

State Exhibit #140

 

[minor4th]

Very good! I would add that State objected to Def referring to the report. Again audio going in and out on link I was listening to. State stated Foundation? and Def Relevance. **Could have those backwards* Def told judge that would like to speak with her at the end of the day. She said ok. That when they spoke about the New Law. Def said this was a game changer. That when the Judge said no mistrial as you stated above.

Judge said both sides can research and stronly will revisit on Monday. Witness can be brought back. Judge said something about Immediacy and right after lunch on Monday? LOL State said will allow it in but doesn't see reason to bring witness back. LOL JMHO If it was me, (as Def) I would want the Witness back on stand. Also when the Def asked about not putting the F you comment not in report, Def was asking about the video and transcript. And about the other witnesses testimony State objected stating hearsay. Judge Sustained that.

Especially after the State said in front of the jury on RE Direct State asked the witness Officer Brett Gillimore if he listen to video prior to coming in today. Asked was he making stuff up. Are you lying to the Jury?
Def Objected and Judge sustained.

State said that the Defense was trying to call the witness a liar without calling him liar.

Def Objected again and the Judge told them she thinks they need to move on... Witness excused and jury excused then that after court hearing.
Now the jury will be out until Monday. So just adding it to evidence may not mean much.

(I def would want him back on stand especially if that other Det is going to be impeached also. Piper gave some odd testimony jmho )

That whole interaction was a huge cluster-you-know-what. Boring was crossing lines he knew he shouldn't cross and making speaking objections and arguments in front of the jury. This judge is very pro-prosecution and gives the latitude that the defense would never dream of taking.

By not sustaining the defense objection about the state bolstering the witness testimony, the state was emboldened and continued to make improper arguments in front of the jury. The judge painted her own self in a corner because she didn't rein Boring in when she should have.

On TOP of that the State objected to the admission of the police report as hearsay - thus preventing the defense from having any opportunity to impeach the witness with his prior statements.

I understand why he asked for a mistrial at that time to preserve the error for appeal (if needed). The judge screwed up and wasn't really paying attention to the law. I think she kind of caught herself in the end when she sort of backtracked and asked for research and further argument.

 

[GA_Peach]

WARNING MORNING SPOILER ALERT

My first shock this morning was that Cooper's every day school back pack was left at home as shown in the video of the interior of the Hs home.

You read that correctly. Cooper's school bag was left at home the day he suffered death in a hot car while his dad was forgetting to drop Cooper at his school.

You ruined it. :gaah::tantrum:

The testimony from this morning is so dry. Only about 50 minutes left.

You bring up a very good point about Cooper's school bag. Regardless of whether or not the Cars backpack is actually Cooper's school bag, doesn't he have a daily bag that he brings with him each day? I would assume that it includes clean diapers, a water bottle, a change of clothes, etc. Where was that bag, or did Cooper keep all of those things at school? If Cooper has a bag, was it not in the car by Ross's briefcase? I had not previously thought of that.

Was there testimony that it was his everyday school bag? I didn't hear anything like that. There was just a picture that included a cars backpack sitting on the floor.

I will let you know.... they are just starting to go through the pictures of the Harris's home.

ETA - The witness stated that it was "a Cars backpack, a children's bag." He made no mention of it being a school bag. It is right around minute 102 in the second WAT morning video from today's testimony.

Seeing how close the two places are I am really doubtful that RH 'forgot' to take Cooper to daycare. It's so close. How could he completely forget his little boy was in the back?!

They are across the street but catty-corner from one another. The only thing between the two locations (as the crow flies) is an overpass of a highway, I-285. The Home Depot's HQ buildings are visible from the front door of CFA, and because of their height, they are hard to miss. In fact, the HQ buildings would have been extremely visible to Harris as he approached the intersection.

 

[colette]

Cops just left a 3 year old in a car to die, they have not been charged. Every body hears about these deaths but yet people are still doing it. Even cops. Really sad.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/two-lon...cers-fired-girl-3-left-alone-patrol-car-dies/

Edited to say they are charging the mother as she left the child in the car while she visited another officer (her supervisor) in his home. They fell asleep and woke 4 hours later. They had worked the night shift. The other officer was not charged yet as he said he did not know the child was in the car.

 

[Doghairrules]

Cops just left a 3 year old in a car to die, they have not been charged. Every body hears about these deaths but yet people are still doing it. Even cops. Really sad.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/two-lon...cers-fired-girl-3-left-alone-patrol-car-dies/

Edited to say they are charging the mother as she left the child in the car while she visited another officer (her supervisor) in his home. They fell asleep and woke 4 hours later. They had worked the night shift. The other officer was not charged yet as he said he did not know the child was in the car.

If I had a nickel for every time I went to my supervisor's house after working overtime and took a nap with her...


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[DeDee]

Was there testimony that it was his everyday school bag? I didn't hear anything like that. There was just a picture that included a cars backpack sitting on the floor.

I don't recall that testimony either. They were just going through the photos taken by the Witness Brad Shumpert, the CSI guy. Authenticating his photos. I took ss of things of interest to me. One being the backpack because IIRC they may have said something about but this witness didn't know anything, just taking photos (jmho per his testimony) But the Cars backpack was hanging on hook. I for some reason can't get the photo to upload, will try again.

State Exhibit #140 View attachment 102492

Kudos to our legal team, minor and mimi! :loveyou:

Edit:
I was in WSs Chat today during this particular presentation when "we" (no tomatoes, please) determined it to be Cooper's daily backpack. If it isn't, that's all there is to it yet if it is the one he carried ea day, why was it left at home? The Pros will inform us, if the backpack is of value. Seeing it upset some of us.

 

[KALI]

From the beginning, I came to believe that his own Father, planned and murdered him.

I would say more, but I'd like to not give any defence attorney ideas.

I will say this. Killers come in all shapes and sizes.

This Man/Father in my opinion is a fraud.

Worse even then Scott Peterson. At least Scott Peterson killed baby Conner before he was born.

Anyway, it breaks my heart that little Conner died an awful death.
I pray for justice.

The Wife?
Don't care. JUST MY OPINION

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

WARNING MORNING SPOILER ALERT

My first shock this morning was that Cooper's every day school back pack was left at home as shown in the video of the interior of the Hs home.

You read that correctly. Cooper's school bag was left at home the day he suffered death in a hot car while his dad was forgetting to drop Cooper at his school.

Duh!! Because he never planned to take him &#128546; it never hit me there was no diaper bag in the car. I bet Cobb County picked up on that immediately.

 

[arkansasmimi]

You ruined it. :gaah::tantrum:

The testimony from this morning is so dry. Only about 50 minutes left.

You bring up a very good point about Cooper's school bag. Regardless of whether or not the Cars backpack is actually Cooper's school bag, doesn't he have a daily bag that he brings with him each day? I would assume that it includes clean diapers, a water bottle, a change of clothes, etc. Where was that bag, or did Cooper keep all of those things at school? If Cooper has a bag, was it not in the car by Ross's briefcase? I had not previously thought of that.

I will let you know.... they are just starting to go through the pictures of the Harris's home.
ETA - The witness stated that it was "a Cars backpack, a children's bag." He made no mention of it being a school bag. It is right around minute 102 in the second WAT morning video from today's testimony.

They are across the street but catty-corner from one another. The only thing between the two locations (as the crow flies) is an overpass of a highway, I-285. The Home Depot's HQ buildings are visible from the front door of CFA, and because of their height, they are hard to miss. In fact, the HQ buildings would have been extremely visible to Harris as he approached the intersection.

RBBM
I can only speak about how it is for my grandbabies daycare. My youngest 2are 16 mo apart. They leave their change of clothing at daycare and bring home any soiled and then we take back fresh if needed at that age. I know of some day cares (larger) that provide the diapers, sippy cups and so forth. Without knowing things about the daycare it hard to say. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

Kudos to our legal team, minor and mimi! :loveyou:

Edit:
I was in WSs Chat today during this particular presentation when "we" (no tomatoes, please) determined it to be Cooper's daily backpack. If it isn't, that's all there is to it yet if it is the one he carried ea day, why was it left at home? The Pros will inform us, if the backpack is of value. Seeing it upset some of us.

Just FYI, Mimi is no part of any legal team

 

[arkansasmimi]

GA Peach I found the Probable Cause Hearing Videos July 3 2014 first and then can see others there : [video=youtube;I9u--A2TwZg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9u--A2TwZg[/video]