TRIAL Week One - Ross Harris 3 October 2016

[arkansasmimi]

The Def Attorney is pretty good so far in case. I had noticed the reflection in at rear of car photo yesterday, but not the front. He going at possible unable to see child in the car seat looks like. Also the CSI guy is 6 ft not sure how tall RH is. jmho

 

[Dogface]

I highly doubt Cooper fell asleep after a thirty second car ride.

I cannot recall a single time my child(3.5years old) has fallen asleep that early in the morning since she was around 6 months. Even if she has been ill. Toddlers, no matter how little sleep they have had, seem to wake up wide eyed and bushy tailed, ready for the day. I know all children are different, but in all my interactions with babies from siblings, cousins and nieces I have not seen one ever fall asleep right after breakfast during the toddler phase.

 

[Inthedetails]

Oh, I definitely share your opinion that he is selfish, grossly immature, and irresponsible. I just haven't seen any evidence yet that proves any of those things made him guilty of felony murder.

I'm assuming we all agree that he left his child in the car, and I'm assuming the question is whether or not he intended to.

 

[Hope4More]

Did he not do a search on children being left in a car? That is strange to do a search and then it happens

He didn't, actually.

 

[ReadyorNot]

I cannot recall a single time my child(3.5years old) has fallen asleep that early in the morning since she was around 6 months. Even if she has been ill. Toddlers, no matter how little sleep they have had, seem to wake up wide eyed and bushy tailed, ready for the day. I know all children are different, but in all my interactions with babies from siblings, cousins and nieces I have not seen one ever fall asleep right after breakfast during the toddler phase.

I have seven kids, not sure about yours but they are all different in many ways. One of my kids always fell asleep instantly.

 

[Leader6518]

I'm thinking RH dropped him off at daycare and LH picked him up in the afternoons. And maybe they are too cheap to buy 2 larger seats, so RH keeps using the baby seat.
But if that was the case, they only had one baby seat, so how did they switch it then, from one car to the other?
MOO

I watched the Prosecutions opening and between the persons hum hawing and words cutting out, it did leave much to be desired. He is definately not a smooth talker like the Defense. However, we really haven't even gotten good into the meat and potatoes of the case. Everything right now is foundation building. I lean toward intentional motives based on what I have seen or heard in earlier testimony, but I could change my mind if they can prove that Cooper was unusually quiet in the car (based on Leanna's statements about his chatter), Ross could not have seen Cooper or heard him while making left hand u-turns and looking right for traffic, and maneuvering in a parking lot looking for a space. The small space in that car and a 2+ year old in a car makes it hard for me to believe he "forgot" him within the less-than-two minutes it took to make the decision to turn toward the day care or go straight to work. He admitted early on that it was a routine to stop and CFA and he and Cooper had a routine to go there together for "father, son time" a few times a month. I just find it odd that he would talk about strapping him in and kissing him in case one of them should die, just before his child is left in a hot car and dies. There are just too many coincidences all lined up on the hottest day of the year. Especially, since they had marriage problems and money problems.

I am also surprised that he would quip back that there was no "malicious intent" to Cooper's death. He already had his story set. It is just way too convenient that this "horrible accident" would have benefitted him had everyone just viewed it as an accident. No child support for a troubled marriage and life insurance to pay off debt. When a reasonable persons starts putting the pieces of the puzzle together a troubling picture begins to emerge.

 

[ReadyorNot]

He didn't, actually.

This is according to the defense though, I am not sure the defense would have mentioned that unless it was going to be an assertion by the prosecution. I think the defense actually means to infer doubt that it was him vs Leanna who did it.

 

[Inthedetails]

Piper wasn't the responsible officer at the scene, by her own admission. She went there to see if she could offer assistance.

How else could it have been handled? With a warning to Harris, and a removal away from his car, but still within sight of his dead son.

And no, a presumption of guilt wasn't accurate at all, given they had no information at that time what the circumstances were of Cooper's death. Being guilty is a very different thing than being responsible.

Of course, and officers are well aware of their role in the judical system. They are not prosecutors, judges, or jury. I think we all know that too.

Ugh.

I keep telling myself to give up this conversation and I keep defying my own orders! I should slap handcuffs on myself and set me in the back of a cop car until I decide to cooperate with myself.

 

[x_files]

How did he ever get any work done? He comes in late, searches for cruises, sexts teenagers, goes to lunch, sexts and then leaves early. what a screw up.

He must be a sex addict. How did he keep his job?

 

[Hope4More]

I'm assuming we all agree that he left his child in the car, and I'm assuming the question is whether or not he intended to.

The question I'm interested in is whether or not his "forgetting" of Cooper by the time he reached that intersection meets the legal standard required to convict him of even the lesser charges against him.

 

[x_files]

I have a question for those who appear to think the law enforcement plotted this all out against Harris. What was their motive? They were sitting around, get called out to a scene, they don't know Harris, Cooper, or Leanna from John Doe....but for some reason...they decide they are going to lock up this poor innocent father who just wanted to eat his Chick-fil-a and text groin photos to young girls? How could he be expected to remember his toddler strapped into that car seat for that 5 or 6 minute drive or throughout the entire day?

Sorry for the sarcasm but I am flabbergasted at the passes given to Harris' behavior and the willingness to impune bad motives to law enforcement officers.

exactly. I don't see a motive to frame him.

 

[jamiect]

Cathy ‏@courtchatter 34s35 seconds ago
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[byo]

Cathy ‏@courtchatter 1m1 minute ago
#RossHarris -Court schedule: Possible closure or half-day Thursday. No court Friday due to #HurricaneMatthew and no court Mon. #ColumbusDay

 

[x_files]

BBM - He was texting another woman at the Chic-fil-a (complaining about his life) - he then drove a few minutes to his office where he continued texting 6 different women including a photo of his private parts to a 16 year old girl!!! He obviously had his mind totally on women and sex and not his son! That is why I feel it's not for another day but it belong squarely in the scenario of what happened on the day little Cooper died.

Imagine if a mother did this? He was NOT responsible enough to be a father. Emotionally immature sex addict.

 

[GA_Peach]

The question I'm interested in is whether or not his "forgetting" of Cooper by the time he reached that intersection meets the legal standard required to convict him of even the lesser charges against him.

I am just curious. Why do Ross's obligations to remember Cooper cease at the intersection?

 

[Bambina]

Why would Jh go to breakfast if he was running late.

My husband can back up better than me, and tries really hard to teach me to trust my mirrors and he rarely would look behind if he was backing into a parking space. Thankfully I have a back up camera now, I won't tell ya all how many bikes I have run over, kid free of course.

I think JH didn't have to look behind when he backed up. But try sitting down in a chair. And think of the height difference or the car seat and JH head, the motion you might turn to grab a coffee, or maybe a bag. You would see something in the corner of you eyes, and even without moving, you could see the small portion of the car seat. Backing into the space you would look into mirrors, moving your head and you'll see the car seat in the corner of your eyes. I think he would of remember at that moment, oops still need to drop Cooper off. But he didn't drop Cooper off.

If he was in late, maybe in a rush, why take the time to back into a space.

I agree - why stop for breakfast if running late? I would, at most, visit a drive thru (also experienced with running late with the kids in the car which means they had a donut for breakfast!).

And there hasn't been any suggested presented of urgent work he attended to, correct? Only all the non-working he did.

As for being asleep, it would be hard to persuade me that a toddler would fall asleep in a 2 minute car ride - in the morning (not nap time or late at night). An infant, maybe. A toddler, no. And assuming that he did, it would not be a deep sleep in that amount of time, so he would wake when the vehicle stopped and would be somewhat disoriented and whiny (in my experience).

 

[Hope4More]

exactly. I don't see a motive to frame him.

No one is suggesting Harris was "framed." (And, he always said he was responsible--how could be framed ?)

What's clear, though, is that LE made assumptions from the git-go based entirely on Harris's behavior, and misrepresented in a court of law both that behavior and actual evidence.

 

[Inthedetails]

No one is suggesting Harris was "framed." What's clear, though, is that LE made assumptions from the git-go based entirely on Harris's behavior, and misrepresented in a court of law both that behavior and actual evidence.

Can you elaborate, please? tia

 

[Magdalyn]

There is no way RH didn't see that baby in the back of the car!

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So his head juts inches above the top to be basically between the seats. At the degree the car seat is angled back, I can see (if he fell asleep) his head possibly tilting to the side (subtracting fractions of an inch from his sitting height.) But I personally can't see (gravity wise) a way a sleeping child's head would fall chin to chest (forward) and stay out of view when you look at the angle that infant seat is reclined back.

ETA: Imagine being in a dental chair reclined halfway back, and seat belted to it with chest/shoulder harness. No how do you fall asleep slumped forward? :thinking:

 

[MsJosie]

So, according to channel 11 news on May 2, 2016...Ross attorney said, he did not search for a hot car death.

According to Daily Mail, on June 25/26, 2016, on Ross Home Depot office computer, a search was done on how long it would take an animal to die in a hot car.

Teo different things....searching for a hot car death vs an animal death in a hot car....the defense does not want the jury to figure out the size and weight of both could have the same result in a hot car.

IMO...could Ross been using the size of an animal compared to his son as a way to get his answers. The GJ saw something that helped them in their decision to charge Ross.

Have to wait and see what is released to jury and hw it is presented.