Tricia's True Crime radio ! Aug. 12, 2012

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  • #41
"What the letter's trying to say is, if you release something and we don't like your viewpoint -- or the information that you rely on -- then we're putting you on notice that we may come back and release anything that we want; whether it's part of the lawful investigation or simply digging up dirt on the victim," said Cummins.

BBM--sorry, but I have to disagree with you. There are plenty of negative opinions about RZ out there, much of it stated as fact. A threat is a threat and one coming directly from LE is pretty daunting.


Cummins was not associated with the SDSO, so I don't find him speaking for them credible.

IMO...Bremner released a cut and spliced 911 call from Adam - cut to make him appear badly...she dropped information about 🤬🤬🤬🤬 being searched on the computer without giving the details (that RZ was the only one with access to the computer at that time), she put stuff on her FB page, and then deleted it...so who knows what that was about...she hinted that Nina was not accounted for, and Dina was not accounted for...all untrue...IMO.


What the letter said, IMO, was not that they would release things "not part of the lawful investigation" (and what kind of attorney says THAT???), but what WAS the lawful investigation in its ENTIRETY. That way, EVERYTHING is out there, not just want Anne Bremner wants out there to make her accusations look good, IMO.
 
  • #42
Is there anywhere in any article where the Zahau family or their attorney actually say they are afraid of what LE will release about Rebecca? I don't think so.
 
  • #43
Is there anywhere in any article where the Zahau family or their attorney actually say they are afraid of what LE will release about Rebecca? I don't think so.

IMO, the fact that they have released NOTHING since then speaks volumes.
 
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Is there anywhere in any article where the Zahau family or their attorney actually say they are afraid of what LE will release about Rebecca? I don't think so.

Hello! New person here. I may not post much hereafter, but I would like to subscribe to this thread. Is it me, or does there seem to be a misunderstanding of what SDSO was saying in that letter accompanying the case files given to the Zs? By some's logic, the letter was "threatening". So, from that standpoint, wouldn't that mean there was something threatening in the files? If the Zs had nothing to worry about, they wouldn't consider the releasing of the files threatening at all.
 
  • #47
Hello! New person here. I may not post much hereafter, but I would like to subscribe to this thread. Is it me, or does there seem to be a misunderstanding of what SDSO was saying in that letter accompanying the case files given to the Zs? By some's logic, the letter was "threatening". So, from that standpoint, wouldn't that mean there was something threatening in the files? If the Zs had nothing to worry about, they wouldn't consider the releasing of the files threatening at all.

Yes, I agree. The only "threat" is against the Z family attorney....selectively releasing information to the public that would mislead the public about their investigation.

This is the second letter (cease amd desist from JS) that asks that they stop deceiving..US.

Now they could release everything and prove that they had been honest with the public and still may. But they haven"t yet.

Nothing wrong with demanding people do not make fools out of those in the public that care.
 
  • #48
It's reasonable to assume there are other dynamics going on related to the Zahau family attorneys gaining and releasing information. For one, the San Diego Sheriff's Department claims there was no crime committed so if they are done investigating there should be no reason for them to worry about what is released... they have claimed over and over they will stand by their claims. I do not believe Ann Bremner nor the Xahau's had any intention of releasing details that were not necessary to show that there are elements to the evidence that indicate something other than suicide and so forth. It could very well be that they just did not want to put the effort into fighting with the SDSD. I believe they were hoping for cooperation.

All of this as well as Jonah's attorney sending them a letter leads me to believe even more that these are meant as intimidation. They'd have to balance that with concerns for getting the truth out there. The Xahau's were fighting an uphill battle because, no, they do not have the money that the two Shacknai's have and they did not have access to the mansion for their investigation. They have no power in San Diego County.

I do not believe there is any further dirt on Rebecca that could be validated. That does not mean that the LE reports are not full of unsubstantiated claims by Dina or her family. We have certainly seen that in both the expert reports and in Dina's recent interviews.
 
  • #49
While I understand the first ammendment attorney's concerns, and I think they are legitimate concerns, it seems that Sheriff Gore is mostly concerned about the reputation of his department.

An excerpt from his letter:

"Please understand that we have no desire to intrude on your client's right to speak freely about, and even criticize, the investigation completed by this office. We are confident that the investigation conducted by this department can and will withstand scrutiny. Nor do we wish to discourage or prevent you from attaching these records to court filings in a civil lawsuit, if you believe they may assist you in some way in a lawsuit. Still, if portions of the investigation are selectively released to the media and to the public in a way that falsely represents the work performed by the Sheriff's Department, we will correct the false portrayal by opening the entire investigation for public scrutiny."

William D. Gore, Sheriff. Oct. 27, 2011
 
  • #50
It's reasonable to assume there are other dynamics going on related to the Zahau family attorneys gaining and releasing information. For one, the San Diego Sheriff's Department claims there was no crime committed so if they are done investigating there should be no reason for them to worry about what is released... they have claimed over and over they will stand by their claims. I do not believe Ann Bremner nor the Xahau's had any intention of releasing details that were not necessary to show that there are elements to the evidence that indicate something other than suicide and so forth. It could very well be that they just did not want to put the effort into fighting with the SDSD. I believe they were hoping for cooperation.

All of this as well as Jonah's attorney sending them a letter leads me to believe even more that these are meant as intimidation. They'd have to balance that with concerns for getting the truth out there. The Xahau's were fighting an uphill battle because, no, they do not have the money that the two Shacknai's have and they did not have access to the mansion for their investigation. They have no power in San Diego County.

I do not believe there is any further dirt on Rebecca that could be validated. That does not mean that the LE reports are not full of unsubstantiated claims by Dina or her family. We have certainly seen that in both the expert reports and in Dina's recent interviews.

A cease and desist letter is most certainly meant as intimidation. The choice to comply or ignore is still just that, a choice.

I doubt the information that might be considered "dirt" uncovered in the police investigation is about RZ. I think it is more likely about her family member who was present at the time of MS's death.

JMO
 
  • #51
While I understand the first ammendment attorney's concerns, and I think they are legitimate concerns, it seems that Sheriff Gore is mostly concerned about the reputation of his department.

An excerpt from his letter:

"Please understand that we have no desire to intrude on your client's right to speak freely about, and even criticize, the investigation completed by this office. We are confident that the investigation conducted by this department can and will withstand scrutiny. Nor do we wish to discourage or prevent you from attaching these records to court filings in a civil lawsuit, if you believe they may assist you in some way in a lawsuit. Still, if portions of the investigation are selectively released to the media and to the public in a way that falsely represents the work performed by the Sheriff's Department, we will correct the false portrayal by opening the entire investigation for public scrutiny."

William D. Gore, Sheriff. Oct. 27, 2011

Thanks ... and, I am not exactly seeing that Ann Bremner kept quiet after this about evidence?

Nov 17, 2011
http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16068012/mixed-dna-all-over-zahau-death-scene-some-evidence-not-tested
(CBS 8) - Sheriff investigators confirmed Wednesday the presence of unidentified, mixed DNA samples found at Coronado's Spreckels mansion where Rebecca Zahau, 32, was reportedly found hanged to death. Zahau family attorney Anne Bremner first revealed that mixed DNA was found at the death scene during the airing of the Dr. Phil Show earlier this week.

"We have mixed DNA in this case all over, in things like the knife, the bed frame, black gloves," said Bremner on the syndicated television talk show. "Mixed DNA unexplained as to who these other donors are."

"It's a case that just cries out for answers and investigation. We have mixed DNA in her fingernails," the Seattle-based attorney said.
The significance of the DNA findings was debated during a hastily-organized news conference Wednesday afternoon, held in response to the findings from a second autopsy performed on Zahau's body and discussed on the Dr. Phil program.

Sheriff's Crime Lab Director Michael Grubb did not dispute the presence of unidentifiable, mixed DNA at the Coronado scene.

"The majority of the DNA under Rebecca Zahau's fingernails was her own," said Grubb. "Various fingernails were tested as separate samples and one of them showed a DNA mixture but the level of DNA was so low that it was an un-interpretable mixture."

In addition to the fingernail sample, unidentified DNA also was recovered from the rope used in Zahau's alleged hanging; a large knife used to the cut the rope; the bed frame to which the rope was tied; a door knob on the balcony door; and a pair of black gloves found on a table in the mansion, Grubb said.

"DNA can come to be on all sorts of surfaces; door knobs, any public surface can gain DNA from a number of people and it will reside there and may be picked up by someone else," said Grubb. "When you have a low-level mixture and it's so low that it's un-interpretable, it means that even if we have other subjects to compare, it's not going to be fruitful."

Because the amount of mixed DNA recovered was so minuscule, San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said it was unnecessary to collect DNA samples from Zahau's boyfriend, Arizona tycoon Jonah Shacknai, or Jonah's ex-wife, Dina Shacknai.


BBM ... things that make you go hmmm.
 
  • #52
While I understand the first ammendment attorney's concerns, and I think they are legitimate concerns, it seems that Sheriff Gore is mostly concerned about the reputation of his department.

An excerpt from his letter:

"Please understand that we have no desire to intrude on your client's right to speak freely about, and even criticize, the investigation completed by this office. We are confident that the investigation conducted by this department can and will withstand scrutiny. Nor do we wish to discourage or prevent you from attaching these records to court filings in a civil lawsuit, if you believe they may assist you in some way in a lawsuit. Still, if portions of the investigation are selectively released to the media and to the public in a way that falsely represents the work performed by the Sheriff's Department, we will correct the false portrayal by opening the entire investigation for public scrutiny."

William D. Gore, Sheriff. Oct. 27, 2011

BBM


If the SDSO feels Anne Bremner is misrepresenting their findings, they have every right to defend their reputation by releasing everything, IMO.
 
  • #53
Thanks ... and, I am not exactly seeing that Ann Bremner kept quiet after this about evidence?

Nov 17, 2011
http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16068012/mixed-dna-all-over-zahau-death-scene-some-evidence-not-tested



BBM ... things that make you go hmmm.

Yeah. Sheriff Bill Gore didn't feel it necessary to collect DNA. WOW. How is he to rule out suspects. He did a disservice to people who may/might be innocent. So instead, discussion boards are filled with speculations as to why they are guilty...

hmmm....wonder if he could be sued.
 
  • #54
BBM


If the SDSO feels Anne Bremner is misrepresenting their findings, they have every right to defend their reputation by releasing everything, IMO.

I doubt that happens. While Bremner's accusations might annoy them, nothing she can say without concrete proof will change anything.
She seems to be a bit of a joke.

JMO
 
  • #55
Yeah. Sheriff Bill Gore didn't feel it necessary to collect DNA. WOW. How is he to rule out suspects. He did a disservice to people who may/might be innocent. So instead, discussion boards are filled with speculations as to why they are guilty...

hmmm....wonder if he could be sued.

just about anybody can be sued but there is no guarantee of success.

afaik, the Sheriff hasn't been sued which indicates to me there are no valid legal grounds to sue him.
 
  • #56
just about anybody can be sued but there is no guarantee of success.

afaik, the Sheriff hasn't been sued which indicates to me there are no valid legal grounds to sue him.

Well that is an interesting deduction on your part. The fact a lawsuit has not yet been filed for malfeasance does not indicate anything. Frankly, i believe malfeasance is very obvious and if i were a betting person, i would not make a wager against a future malfeasance suit.
 
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just about anybody can be sued but there is no guarantee of success.

afaik, the Sheriff hasn't been sued which indicates to me there are no valid legal grounds to sue him.


BBM

True that ;)
 
  • #58
Well that is an interesting deduction on your part. The fact a lawsuit has not yet been filed for malfeasance does not indicate anything. Frankly, i believe malfeasance is very obvious and if i were a betting person, i would not make a wager against a future malfeasance suit.

I concur.
 
  • #59
Well, if there is a malfeasance suit, the good news is that a great deal more information will be released by all parties.

Of course, everything in the current investigative file could come out RIGHT NOW, so the public could finally be better informed...but that is up to the Z family.
 
  • #60
Well, if there is a malfeasance suit, the good news is that a great deal more information will be released by all parties.

Of course, everything in the current investigative file could come out RIGHT NOW, so the public could finally be better informed...but that is up to the Z family.

Would like to see full disclosure of the investigative files from ALL involved parties. In particular, would like substantiated alibis (concrete evidence, not only verbal testimony) for everyone during the times of and around Max's accident and Rebecca's murder.

Also, would like to see the mental and psychiatric histories of the adults - Dina, Jonah, Adam, Nina and Rebecca, as well as the medical history of Max.
 
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