Turkey - Jacky Sutton, 50, British journalist, dies in airport restroom, 17 Oct 2015

[Sonya610]

But when it comes to holiday in Turkey, my friend said she was aggressively pursued by local muslim men amd shop vendors, that ruined her holiday, she'll never go back.

Yes, when I researched visits to Turkey that did come up, large cities in Egypt are supposedly very bad too. That is why I said the stricter Muslim countries are in some ways better for female travelers since sexual harassment is forbidden.

Of course conservative attire also makes a huge difference.

She 'hanged' herself, so marks around neck prove no murder. If there is something under her fingernails, we dont know how meticulous Turks are when they conduct autopsy and whether they want to find out the truth or only to 'prove suicide'.

I would expect her body will be returned to the UK for another autopsy. As mentioned before there is typically a noticeable difference between strangulation and hanging ligature marks, and claw marks from a struggle would be a big red flag if this wasn't a suspension hanging.

 

[dotr]

[video=youtube;uJlb4L4gP3A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJlb4L4gP3A[/video]

Slower video here, includes screenshots.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vealed-CCTV-footage-Turkish-airport-died.html

 

[delal]

As another aside - Turks generally speak pretty poor English, even those who work at airports. So certain things said by Ms Sutton (I'm assuming she didn't know Turkish although I did read a report that she knows 5 languages) may have been misunderstood by check in clerks/airport staff.

 

[delal]

Read this: very very interesting.

https://www.facebook.com/AmyLBeam/posts/10207326571979975

 

[dotr]

Read this: very very interesting.

https://www.facebook.com/AmyLBeam/posts/10207326571979975

Wow!
Impressed also with ALB's timely and imo, very wise, final statement about how she would never, ever commit suicide, even at the worst of times.

 

[Fifth Avenue]

Read this: very very interesting.

https://www.facebook.com/AmyLBeam/posts/10207326571979975

If airport staff prevented her boarding a plane, I assume Turkish security services were involved.
But in this case I find it odd she didnt call anyone, for example to her employer to inform them what has happened. Journalists are generally good at passing on information.
This is also very extreme reaction from Turkish authorites to kill a jounalist because they dont want her to go there. They can simply ban all flights to Kurds controlled areas from Turkey lets say out of safety concerns, (Turks are indeed bombing Kurdish towns/cities all the time) if they dont want anyone to go there.

This, if proved murder, could be a message to inner circle of journos & activists, like anything can happen to you, and noone will ever know what really happened, if you keep meddling and sticking your nose into other people business. Personal payback is not excluded either.


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[delal]

I doubt this will ever be solved. The Turks can't even find out (or if they do know, don't share the information) who was behind a bomb killing more than 100 just earlier this month.

 

[Fifth Avenue]

I doubt this will ever be solved. The Turks can't even find out (or if they do know, don't share the information) who was behind a bomb killing more than 100 just earlier this month.

Turks wont solve this, but many hoped British police would get involved, so far it seems no or little interest. Last year American journalist was killed in Turkey in car crash, it was very suspicious, but US authorities ignored it. She said she was accused of being a spy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ervices-threatened-coverage-siege-kobane.html

Or journalist Michael Hastings, many suspected his car was hijacked by hackers and crashed in LA but you never know..
http://nymag.com/news/features/michael-hastings-2013-11/

So odd deaths of journalists in murky circumstances are nothing new.


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[delal]

I don't think the Turks and the Brits have great relationships anymore, not since endless stories of Brits passing through Turkey to allegedly go to Syria to join the ranks of ISIS. After three schoolgirls passed through Istanbul, there were signs of miscommunication and mistrust between British and Turkish security services.

 

[dotr]

I don't think the Turks and the Brits have great relationships anymore, not since endless stories of Brits passing through Turkey to allegedly go to Syria to join the ranks of ISIS. After three schoolgirls passed through Istanbul, there were signs of miscommunication and mistrust between British and Turkish security services.

Maybe someone, a (female) like the ones described ^ waited in the bathroom?
If you miss your flight, willingly or otherwise, waiting for the next flight a bathroom break is usually inevitable, could people have been stationed in the bathroom stalls waiting for JS?
Could it be a straight up rip off scam gone wrong?

imo, speculation.

 

[kemo]

Read this: very very interesting.

https://www.facebook.com/AmyLBeam/posts/10207326571979975

A very interesting story. The ongoing conflict in Turkey over the situation of The Kurds in Turkey explains a lot of the "incidents" that have occurred recently, including the Ankara bombing. As a Kurdish Rights activist, I can understand the treatment Amy Beam received. Still, although she was harassed at the airport and ultimately denied entry into Turkey, she was not physically harmed.

Jackie Sutton was the leader of a group representing Journalist covering the war against ISIS in Iraq. Her "beat" appeared to be Kurdistan (technically part of Iraq but functioning like an independent state). While the ruling party of Turkey in not comfortable with the existence of Kurdistan, they permit trade and are the primary Air conduit to Kurdistan. It is a good guess that thousands of people who in one way or another support Free Kurdistan have passed through Ataturk Airport. It is not apparent that Jackie had any dealings with Turkish Kurds or was otherwise doing anything to cause problems with the Turkish authorities.

It is possible that she came to the attention of Turkish Security for some reason and that resulted in a physical altercation that lead to her being accidentally strangled and security found it necessary to cover it up with the staged hanging. If so, I suspect a British autopsy will expose it.

We have not heard the last of this.

 

[delal]

Even saying the word "Kurdistan" can get you into a lot of trouble in Turkey.

My husband is Kurdish and I don't tell people here unless I know them well. Such an awful situation.

 

[Fifth Avenue]

Why did she miss the flight?

According to Turkish media reports, Sutton missed her flight despite being paged over the airport’s loudspeaker system.

Also she did have the money.

Also, as it turned out, she did have the money to pay for a new flight from Istanbul to Erbil, the capital of Iraq’s northern Kurdish region.

According to the Turkish Haberturk newspaper, €2,300 ($2,600) was found in her clothes.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...itish-journalist-s-bizarre-airport-death.html

She stated in her interview she was an atheist, so copies of Quran and Torah mean nothing.
Likewise, books of Marx and Engels found w/ her belongings dont mean she was a communist.



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[delal]

You know, that's funny, because in all my travels at Ataturk airport, I don't recall them calling anyone's names over the tannoy. When they do make announcements, they are garbled and the pronunciation of any names which aren't Turkish make no sense and the intonation is so awful that it's almost impossible to understand, that's if you can hear it at all. So not buying that.

 

[Sonya610]

You know, that's funny, because in all my travels at Ataturk airport, I don't recall them calling anyone's names over the tannoy. When they do make announcements, they are garbled and the pronunciation of any names which aren't Turkish make no sense and the intonation is so awful that it's almost impossible to understand, that's if you can hear it at all. So not buying that.

Heck even at LAX (Los Angeles International, one of the busiest airports in the US) their "loudspeaker" only hits areas close to the gate, in some cases you can be sitting 20 feet away and not hear it.

She was a seasoned traveler that must have passed through that airport many times before and knew exactly where the gate was etc..., I still find it odd she missed the flight with only a 2 hour layover unless there was a last minute gate change. I think she must have been doing something.

 

[Fifth Avenue]

You know, that's funny, because in all my travels at Ataturk airport, I don't recall them calling anyone's names over the tannoy. When they do make announcements, they are garbled and the pronunciation of any names which aren't Turkish make no sense and the intonation is so awful that it's almost impossible to understand, that's if you can hear it at all. So not buying that.

Yes they often mess up people's names., but I would assume Sutton is not difficult to pronounce. Even if she didnt hear that why wasnt she at the gate? Did she fall asleep? Or maybe something else?
And why did they report she didnt have money when she did? She could have easily bought a new ticket, so what was the motivation for 'suicide'?


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[Hiandmighty]

Yes, when I researched visits to Turkey that did come up, large cities in Egypt are supposedly very bad too. That is why I said the stricter Muslim countries are in some ways better for female travelers since sexual harassment is forbidden.

Of course conservative attire also makes a huge difference.



I would expect her body will be returned to the UK for another autopsy. As mentioned before there is typically a noticeable difference between strangulation and hanging ligature marks, and claw marks from a struggle would be a big red flag if this wasn't a suspension hanging.

How do we know a possible perp didn't hang her himself? It happened to that playwright years ago in NYC.

 

[e-sherlockholmes]

Here is another unrelated "suicide" case recently involving a westerner getting 'hunted' and airport staff apparently fully complicit in letting it happen because a foreigner insulted something or someone (religious or political figure), complete with the coverup and the nose thumbing.

http://www.ibtimes.com/nara-pech-la...eeks-answers-after-mysterious-airport-1948484

 

[Sonya610]

Here is another unrelated "suicide" case recently involving a westerner getting 'hunted' and airport staff apparently fully complicit in letting it happen because a foreigner insulted something or someone (religious or political figure), complete with the coverup and the nose thumbing.

http://www.ibtimes.com/nara-pech-la...eeks-answers-after-mysterious-airport-1948484

Uhhh...the guy sounds like a paranoid schizophrenic. I would not be surprised if he did kill himself while in lockup. Anyone that believes him apparently thinks the entire populace of Laos was in on the "conspiracy" to kill him, and instead of just arresting him and leaving his body in an alley they played mind games.

"They don't want anybody to know that I'm here," says Pech in one message to a family member. "Tell them that the drivers, the taxi drivers, and everything are involved in this. The security guards, everybody. They're trying to f------ kill me. I need your help, man."

In another, he says, "I'm at the Vientiane, Laos, airport. Apparently I said something bad about Hun Sen or something and everybody is trying to get me to leave the airport so they can kill me."

 

[e-sherlockholmes]

Uhhh...the guy sounds like a paranoid schizophrenic. I would not be surprised if he did kill himself while in lockup.

You can search for other news articles about this case. I remembered from memory it involved airport security letting men go in after him.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...-after-bloody-scene-in-laos-airport-1.3096306
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...d-in-laos-demands-action-from-government.html

Laos police found four knives at the scene, which appears to be a restaurant inside the airport, with square tables covered with red tablecloths, surrounded by wooden chairs. On the floor, pools of blood and splatters surround the body.

4 knives seems excessive for self inflicted wounds or attempted suicide.

Just more mysteries similar to this case I guess.