Two former Navy SEALs found dead

[sourgrapes]

I'm very uncomfortable with the number of SEALs dying, recently.

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[animlzrule]

My friend's husband does this same work for a different company. He is former Navy and now works for a private contractor providing security for tanker ships. That these 2 men may have been using drugs does not surprise her in the slightest from what she knows about what goes on with the military vets she knows from her husband's tours. :dunno:

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

'What's the chance of two ex-Navy SEALs turning up dead in the same room?' Family and friends demand U.S. investigation into mystery 'hookers and heroin' deaths on ship made famous by Captain Philips

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eroin-deaths-ship-famous-Captain-Philips.html

 

[michmi]

My friend's husband does this same work for a different company. He is former Navy and now works for a private contractor providing security for tanker ships. That these 2 men may have been using drugs does not surprise her in the slightest from what she knows about what goes on with the military vets she knows from her husband's tours. :dunno:

I don't know about anyone else, but "former Navy" and "ex-SEAL" are light years away from each other in my mind.

To have 2 people who were part of an VERY elite unit in the military dabbling in heroin together and dying together - I can't wrap my head around that.

I'm not saying it's impossible for an ex-SEAL to become involved in drugs, but it's far more likely to occur with a person who was formerly part of the general military.

 

[sourgrapes]

I don't know about anyone else, but "former Navy" and "ex-SEAL" are light years away from each other in my mind.

To have 2 people who were part of an VERY elite unit in the military dabbling in heroin together and dying together - I can't wrap my head around that.

I'm not saying it's impossible for an ex-SEAL to become involved in drugs, but it's far more likely to occur with a person who was formerly part of the general military.

Well, we could compare most recent photos of the two SEALS to the most recent of Philip Seymour Hoffman. I would if I knew how to attach photos, using my cell.

IDK, but they (the SEALs) sure looked healthy to me. In fact, they are my age and I KNOW their physique takes a hell of a lot of work. For sure!

Okay. I'm now actually curious to know if they were 'roiders. Now, that I would not dismiss so easily.

Given that most roids (those used for bodybuilding) are injected, what are the chances they thought they were shooting steroids? That could also explain the double OD ( which is another issue I have with the OS - how likely is it for two ODs to happen at the same time?)

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[Tugela]

My friend's husband does this same work for a different company. He is former Navy and now works for a private contractor providing security for tanker ships. That these 2 men may have been using drugs does not surprise her in the slightest from what she knows about what goes on with the military vets she knows from her husband's tours. :dunno:

From my experience in the military, it does not surprise me in the least. Everyone seems to think that just because someone is or was in special services they must be some sort of superior person in mind as well as body, but the truth is they are human like everyone else and have the same flaws the rest of society has.

 

[Tugela]

Well, we could compare most recent photos of the two SEALS to the most recent of Philip Seymour Hoffman. I would if I knew how to attach photos, using my cell.

IDK, but they (the SEALs) sure looked healthy to me. In fact, they are my age and I KNOW their physique takes a hell of a lot of work. For sure!

Okay. I'm now actually curious to know if they were 'roiders. Now, that I would not dismiss so easily.

Given that most roids (those used for bodybuilding) are injected, what are the chances they thought they were shooting steroids? That could also explain the double OD ( which is another issue I have with the OS - how likely is it for two ODs to happen at the same time?)

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A double OD is easily explained if they thought they were using normal cut drug, but actually had stuff that was very pure. I think that is a quite common source of ODs.

 

[Poweruser]

Just about every current or former military man I know, special forces or not, loves
to indulge in mind altering substances. This includes alcohol. And for all of you TV watchers
that can not understand how someone not involved with drugs can go straight to shooting heroin, well here's a clueXfour, most start and some stay with SNORTING it only.
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[Ragamuffin]

Ahhh, Poweruser and others. I will confess I may be naive. Really. I am not military, so I may be subscribing my own bias and those recruiting ads, and thriller writers, to those attributes we expect our military members to have.

I would like to believe that these service members adhere to the standards expected of them. I'm sure there are a few bad apples, there are everywhere, but you are asking me to believe EVERY SINGLE SOLDIER is a junkie? I just can't accept that.

I will wait to see what happens in this case. I may be proved to be naive in the end, but honestly, I'd rather think the best of these men until it is proved otherwise.

JMO.

 

[michmi]

Just about every current or former military man I know, special forces or not, loves
to indulge in mind altering substances. This includes alcohol. And for all of you TV watchers
that can not understand how someone not involved with drugs can go straight to shooting heroin, well here's a clueXfour, most start and some stay with SNORTING it only.
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While I'm sure your experience is your experience, someone in the more elite forces tends to have a personality that needs to maintain control over situations and above all, himself (especially when on a job) and heroin doesn't really go along with that, which is one reason why I question 2 simultaneous overdoses.

 

[Steft50]

I'm going to let these articles speak for themselves for the most part. Drug abuse, alcohol abuse, family violence, all manner of emotional issues have been a rising issue even among the special forces, with up to 25% of these elite having trouble.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/19/stress-special-operations-chris-faris/1781157/

http://navyseals.com/2889/these-problems-cannot-go-ignored/

http://www.navytimes.com/article/20...ops-troops-stress-8216-worse-than-we-thought-

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2013/01/14/navy-seal-ptsd

http://rt.com/usa/navy-commander-suicide-us-758/


As much as we want these guys and the rest of our armed forces and vets to be trouble free the reality is very few come out of this without issues of some sort. The numbers in these stories are the ones we know about the ones who actually come forward. How many of them don't?

<I'm a military famly member of 53 years, I was born one and I married at 18 and continued to be one, I've lived with the results of war more than once>

 

[Ragamuffin]

Steft50 I am sorry. Really. Like I said above, I am not military, I don't know what thee guys and gals go through. I'm starting to feel like a fool for being so shocked that 2 ex-SEALS might have turned to heroin.

I live close to several Marine bases here in SoCal. I've seen these guys come home with missing limbs/TBI. My adoptive city has several programs to help wives and family's throughout deployment and after they come home.

I am aware that many of our service members have a hard time settling into civilian life after action. I'm still stuck on 2 men who appeared to be very physically fit and motivated to keep that fitness willingly injecting pure heroin. Sadly, I will accept that they were betraying their wives with local sex workers (sadly, because in my innocence I had hoped that men like these held to their vows) but I'm still stumped by the OD.

As I said above, I hope for the best, but maybe I am that lone holdout. This has certainly made me reassess my beliefs, that's for sure.

 

[lizzybeth]

I live in a Navy town and actually dated a SEAL in the 90's. Years later I read an article where he had been arrested for DUI. He injured a jeep full of teenagers. He spent time in jail and has since turned his life around. During the time he was a SEAL he was drinking excessively. I didn't know he had a problem while we were dating and the Navy either didn't know or hid it. So yes, they're prey to some of the same addictions civilians are.

I didn't want to believe these men died of an overdose but it is possible. It doesn't mean I don't think our armed forces and special forces aren't a special breed of soldiers and I'll continue to be proud. I feel bad for the families they left behind. They probably weren't aware that they were participating in this type of behavior.

 

[TGIRecovered]

I just heard on my local radio station KYYW. It says that the Kremlin is investigating report that the jetliner that everybody's looking for contained cargo which had previously been stored on the Mersk. Apparently the two Navy SEALs were killed having something to do with this secret cargo. The cargo was stored in a secure place and then moved to the jetliner and it was on that fateful flight but we don't know what the cargo is. I don't have anything in writing to link to because I just heard it on the radio. Rush Limbaugh said it.
So MOO

 

[trigger]

I just heard on my local radio station KYYW. It says that the Kremlin is investigating report that the jetliner that everybody's looking for contained cargo which had previously been stored on the Mersk. Apparently the two Navy SEALs were killed having something to do with this secret cargo. The cargo was stored in a secure place and then moved to the jetliner and it was on that fateful flight but we don't know what the cargo is. I don't have anything in writing to link to because I just heard it on the radio. Rush Limbaugh said it.
So MOO

My brother called me telling me to turn on Rush.

When I saw pictures of the two Navy Seals I did not and would not believe they did heroin.

My instinsts are telling me theses deaths and the missing plane is all connected. Imo.

OMG

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Cocktail of heroin and alcohol caused the deaths of two former U.S. Navy SEALs on Captain Phillips' ship

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mer-U-S-Navy-SEALs-Captain-Phillips-ship.html