TX - 26 dead, 20 injured in church shooting, Sutherland Springs, 5 Nov 2017 #1

[bluesneakers]

What am I missing? They look the same?
BuzzFeed on left, news article on right.

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Buzzfeed says it's fake and KXAN seems to think it's legit.

I would like to know why Buzzfeed thinks it's fake and where KXAN got the images.

Did someone in MSM get screenshots of his FB page before LE/FB shut it down?

 

[Doghairrules]

At least 26 people killed in shooting at Texas church
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/te...017/11/05/us/texas-church-shooting/index.html

This article says he bought the gun at a San Antonio store in April 2016. Apparently he passed the background check. Sigh.


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[bluesneakers]

Buzz is pretty ruthless and vigorous.. I knew you were referring to the buzz article, btw

Do you think someone created one for him?

 

[neesaki]

Sometimes I am ashamed to live in this country.

At a time of such tragedy, you actually want to go there? Please, have some respect.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I tried to find his Facebook from the first second his name was leaked to the press. It had already been removed from Facebook.

 

[bluesneakers]

At a time of such tragedy, you actually want to go there? Please, have some respect.

After a tragedy like this people are allowed to have feelings, and they might be complicated and not everyone will feel the same, but it's understandable people would be ashamed of this kind of behavior. No one is proud of it, I hope.

 

[HMSHood]

I think it’s going to be about the killer being a misfit, immature prankster, unable to hold down a job to support his family (which could have caused him some angst from his mother in law), and low self esteem turned into anger. He’s someone who has not succeeded at anything in life thus far but needs to blame anyone & anything but himself.

I think the killer was blaming the church where his mother in law (¤t wife) attended because he didn’t like their influence on his life. He couldn’t deal with the pressure of being a productive family man and citizen. I think mother in law (& maybe the wife) wanted and expected him to be a man & not some teen-like boy playing video games in the basement all day.

I think the killer has made a life out of excuses on why he has failed over and over again while the truth was readily apparent to everyone. Shouldn’t he get a trophy just for showing up? Of course we all know that’s not how to achieve your dreams.

All moo.

I would not be surprised he had trouble fitting in. He probably has a history of bullying as well.

I can picture him as someone complains a lot and is very off putting as a result.

Websleuth Radio Interview Tina Meier
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/09/30/tricias-true-crime-radio-adult-cyber-bullying

It starts at the 20:40 mark from the September 2013 Websleuths Radio Interview. Tina Meier, Megan Meier's mother, is describing Lori Drew as a very talkative person who complains nonstop about how life is unfair to her. She is described as a very unhappy and bitter person in a unhappy marriage. Drew wanted everyone to know her plight and suffering in life. Meier's description of Drew is consistent with an injustice collector.

Elliot Rodger: An Analysis
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/09/30/tricias-true-crime-radio-adult-cyber-bullying

From the article.
Beyond his entitlement, lack of empathy, and sadism, Rodger was also what the FBI report on school shooters labeled an “injustice collector.” This was described as follows: “The student nurses resentment over real or perceived injustices. No matter how much time has passed, the “injustice collector” will not forget or forgive those wrongs or the people he or she believes are responsible” (O’Toole, 2000, 17). Rodger went through life accumulating a sense of having been wronged by women; he nursed his resentment until it drove him to murder. Such resentment appears to be a product of his narcissism — as he was quoted above, “How dare they” not give him the love and adoration he deserved.

Meier's description describes Stephen Paddock, Sayfullo Saipov, Omar Mateen, Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, Aaron Alexis, Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho, Eric Harris, Andrew Kehoe, 9/11 Terrorists, and Osama bin Laden. Like Drew, they live a life of extreme resentment.

To further that, in the Investigation Discovery show Web Of Lies, Friend Request, Tina Meier states that Lori Drew did not take it well that they were transferring Megan Meier to a new school. That suggests that would be a tipping point for Drew on top Sarah no longer being friends with Megan. This indicates an injustice collector as they have tipping points on top of ever slightings they have repressed all those years.

I would not be surprised if we see all that in Devin Kelley. That has been the case with Stephen Paddock, Omar Mateen, Seung-Hui Cho, Adam Lanza, Eric Harris, Sayfullo Saipov, Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, and 9/11 Terrorists. This also applied with Jodi Arias, Michelle Carter, Casey Anthony, Betty Broderick, Yoselyn Ortega, and Lori Drew.

 

[kittythehare]

https://apnews.com/5a57d5d4d817437aa1a1a8c4aac9fb0a

Neighbors said that they heard intense gunfire coming from the direction of the address listed for Kelley in recent days.
“It’s really loud. At first I thought someone was blasting,” said Ryan Albers, 16, who lives across the road. “It had to be coming from somewhere pretty close. It was definitely not just a shotgun or someone hunting. It was someone using automatic weapon fire.”

 

[bluesneakers]

At least 26 people killed in shooting at Texas church
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/te...017/11/05/us/texas-church-shooting/index.html

This article says he bought the gun at a San Antonio store in April 2016. Apparently he passed the background check. Sigh.


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What! How does someone spend a year in jail for assault and get a dishonorable discharge pass a background check? He tells them he's okay and that's it, that's good enough?

 

[Inthedetails]

https://apnews.com/5a57d5d4d817437aa1a1a8c4aac9fb0a

Neighbors said that they heard intense gunfire coming from the direction of the address listed for Kelley in recent days.
“It’s really loud. At first I thought someone was blasting,” said Ryan Albers, 16, who lives across the road. “It had to be coming from somewhere pretty close. It was definitely not just a shotgun or someone hunting. It was someone using automatic weapon fire.”

Whoa.

 

[MsFacetious]

I believe it's the wife's stepmother who is being called the MIL.
Not that it much matters... just clarifying she has both a Mom and a Stepmom.
The stepmom is the one that is a likely victim.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin-patrick-kelley-family-wife-danielle-shields-facebook/

 

[kittythehare]

At least 26 people killed in shooting at Texas church
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/te...017/11/05/us/texas-church-shooting/index.html

This article says he bought the gun at a San Antonio store in April 2016. Apparently he passed the background check. Sigh.


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There was no reason for him not to have passed the background check.. He did NOT receive a DD (dishonorable discharge) He received a BCD (bad conduct discharge).
https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-patrick-kelley-idd-as-sutherland-springs-church-killer
The latter does not prohibit gun ownership, the former does.
CBS news reported it as a DD and thats what caused the confusion.

 

[MsFacetious]

People are speculating that is why LE didn't release his name right away.
Awful

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I think this is accurate. Crap.

 

[kittythehare]

Whoa.

Exactly!

 

[MsFacetious]

https://apnews.com/5a57d5d4d817437aa1a1a8c4aac9fb0a

Neighbors said that they heard intense gunfire coming from the direction of the address listed for Kelley in recent days.
“It’s really loud. At first I thought someone was blasting,” said Ryan Albers, 16, who lives across the road. “It had to be coming from somewhere pretty close. It was definitely not just a shotgun or someone hunting. It was someone using automatic weapon fire.”

Let me guess. No one reported it BEFORE 26 people were murdered?

 

[BigCityAccountant]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052163/Up-27-shot-Texas-church-gunman-opens-fire.html

I was the first one to post about this massacre. My dad posted a FB post with a Antifa video that said "Antifa Brings Their Hate To Texas, Chants For 'Dead Cops,' Get A Texas Whoopin' I clicked on the story and it brought me to a Blue Lives Matter page and as I scrolled down, I saw the story about the church posted it on WS, although I wasn't sure where to post it and posted it in breaking news. Gardener was so kind to start the thread.

With that being said, I'm glad LE is now stating that it is a possibility that he was involved in a local militia group. I've read elsewhere he was involved in Antifa.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052163/Up-27-shot-Texas-church-gunman-opens-fire.html

 

[MIKAYOYO]

After a tragedy like this people are allowed to have feelings, and they might be complicated and not everyone will feel the same, but it's understandable people would be ashamed of this kind of behavior. No one is proud of it, I hope.

Of course people are ashamed but it’s not our country’s fault. I felt sad when that loser Uzbek mowed over the cyclists in NY and his victims weren’t even from here. That’s awful but I will never feel shame for living in the greatest country in the world. And we are the greatest country.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

What! How does someone spend a year in jail for assault and get a dishonorable discharge pass a background check? He tells them he's okay and that's it, that's good enough?

I believe he had a Bad Conduct Discharge. This wouldn't preclude him from legally purchasing a gun. Dishonorable Discharge is the equivalent of a felony with loss of voting and gun ownership civil rights.

 

[kittythehare]

Let me guess. No one reported it BEFORE 26 people were murdered?

kinda looks that way, ok...
worrying if accurate

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I would not be surprised he had trouble fitting in. He probably has a history of bullying as well.

I can picture him as someone complains a lot and is very off putting as a result.

Websleuth Radio Interview Tina Meier
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/09/30/tricias-true-crime-radio-adult-cyber-bullying

It starts at the 20:40 mark from the September 2013 Websleuths Radio Interview. Tina Meier, Megan Meier's mother, is describing Lori Drew as a very talkative person who complains nonstop about how life is unfair to her. She is described as a very unhappy and bitter person in a unhappy marriage. Drew wanted everyone to know her plight and suffering in life. Meier's description of Drew is consistent with an injustice collector.

Elliot Rodger: An Analysis
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/09/30/tricias-true-crime-radio-adult-cyber-bullying

From the article.
Beyond his entitlement, lack of empathy, and sadism, Rodger was also what the FBI report on school shooters labeled an “injustice collector.” This was described as follows: “The student nurses resentment over real or perceived injustices. No matter how much time has passed, the “injustice collector” will not forget or forgive those wrongs or the people he or she believes are responsible” (O’Toole, 2000, 17). Rodger went through life accumulating a sense of having been wronged by women; he nursed his resentment until it drove him to murder. Such resentment appears to be a product of his narcissism — as he was quoted above, “How dare they” not give him the love and adoration he deserved.

Meier's description describes Stephen Paddock, Sayfullo Saipov, Omar Mateen, Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, Aaron Alexis, Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho, Eric Harris, Andrew Kehoe, 9/11 Terrorists, and Osama bin Laden. Like Drew, they live a life of extreme resentment.

To further that, in the Investigation Discovery show Web Of Lies, Friend Request, Tina Meier states that Lori Drew did not take it well that they were transferring Megan Meier to a new school. That suggests that would be a tipping point for Drew on top Sarah no longer being friends with Megan. This indicates an injustice collector as they have tipping points on top of ever slightings they have repressed all those years.

I would not be surprised if we see all that in Devin Kelley. That has been the case with Stephen Paddock, Omar Mateen, Seung-Hui Cho, Adam Lanza, Eric Harris, Sayfullo Saipov, Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, and 9/11 Terrorists. This also applied with Jodi Arias, Michelle Carter, Casey Anthony, Betty Broderick, Yoselyn Ortega, and Lori Drew.

Why do we try to diagnose these monsters? Can’t they just be psychos? Why do all the crazy mass murderers have to be injustice collectors and other things? Maybe they’re just sick in the head?