TX - 26 dead, 20 injured in church shooting, Sutherland Springs, 5 Nov 2017 #2

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Been hanging around in the background since yesterday...I've been trying to think of the "right" thing to say but I'm not sure if there is a right thing. I want to say I'm so sorry to everyone who has been affected by this tragedy, but haven't we all been affected? Even though I'm miles away in another country, this has hurt me immensely. All of this. I'm trying hard not to live in fear, to not project my insecurity when I have an incessant need to scope out emergency exits whenever I bring my daughter to a movie theatre, to make sure that when we're walking together that I'm the one walking closest to the street and that we always have a place to hide if a vehicle should try to run us over as we're just enjoying our time together. I feel like I've lost the ability to enjoy the simple things that I used to treasure because I'm always on guard. I'm trying to tell myself that I can go to a festival, a concert, a walk down the street, a movie theatre, a church and I will be okay. I hate that tragedies like this one are becoming so common. Thanks for giving me a safe place to express myself. It feels nice to be among friends in times like these.
 
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DatelineFan said:
Good for her! Breaking her kid's skull is MORE than reason to kick him to the curb. We see so many cases here, where a significant other ends up killing someone's kid. I'm glad she got out when she did. What a monster.

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me too

the speed at which she split as we know is atypical

when I learned that -- he was a very scary
person

that told me lots about her fear level

I think moo this is gonna be delusional studff
 
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MistyWaters said:
from the last thread -
rsd1200 wrote:
"Not being snarky, at all, but I don't think that I could ever heal from losing my child, then combined with the fact that he had murdered 27 people, no, I'd never heal."

I agree totally. Other parents of mass murderers have stated they'd give their lives in a moment if it could bring back the deceased. It does make me wonder if the primary intent of a crime such as this is to mentally and emotionally punish his parents for the rest of their lives. Knowing nothing about them, of course I can't say for sure but just imaging - to be haunted by guilt, what could they have done differently, what went wrong, should've they known, were there signs, etc something no parent could ever truly know the answers to.
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I’m very curious about him calling his dad to say he’d been shot and didn’t think he was going to make it. I wonder if he told his dad WHY he’d been shot and/or expressed any remorse at all in his last minutes on earth. Doesn’t change anything, but I think it would tell us about their relationship.


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rabidstoat said:
The Air Force is saying it didn't follow policy when it didn't alert the federal law agencies about this guy's record, but it sounds like there is also room for some confusion if everyone who's supposed to be following the procedure isn't clear on it. From what it sounds like, there are a few places that could cause confusion:

1. "Dishonorable discharge" versus "bad conduct discharge"
2. The fact that military law isn't the same system of felonies and misdemeanors and same terminology as other federal charges
3. The fact that someone sentenced in the Air Force actually serves time in a Navy prison could have led to confusion over who was supposed to do the reporting
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I can't accept confusion.........we're talking the United States Air Force.

This is NOT their 1st rodeo, and it certainly won't be their last.

For the last 24+ hours, they've been in "CYA" mode. This "discharge" handling (and probably MANY others) is more apt to be S.O.P.

I've known quite a few vets who deserved far less than General Discharges, quite frankly, they should have served time, but instead, were rubber stamped. Service people committing war crimes under their CO's orders, transporting drugs on Military cargo planes, enlisted who should have been put away in a mental hospital.............all General or Honorable discharges.
 
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Pamela_Brewer said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5055275/amp/Pictured-Mother-five-killed-family-members.html

I believe this answers a few questions. They have named several victims in this lengthy article.

"The Shields family were not present during worship on Sunday when the massacre unfolded, but spoke to investigators after."

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I can barely breathe thinking about those beautiful babies. So senseless and horrifying.

We have to do something to address gun violence in this country. We’ve tried doing nothing and, shockingly, nothing changes. [emoji22]


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sds71 said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/loisbeckett/status/927694081161154560/photo/1
sbeckett
new air force documents: Kelley pleaded guilty to hitting, kicking, and choking his wife, and allegedly threatened her with loaded firearms.
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omfg!
 
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Only4Justice said:
The abuse of the dog REALLY bothers me. God Bless the victim’s families. sicko.


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Yep. Yet another red flag.


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Doghairrules said:
I’m very curious about him calling his dad to say he’d been shot and didn’t think he was going to make it. I wonder if he told his dad WHY he’d been shot and/or expressed any remorse at all in his last minutes on earth. Doesn’t change anything, but I think it would tell us about their relationship.


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I thought that too

it hit me like what you think you are the victim

you just shot a bunch of people

someone with a gun shot you

where are you confused


OR

out of touch with reality

and

i just cant believe i just got shot

but did the good guys shoot at the car I just saw the SUV and the rear window is gone >



so was it like a bunch of shooting behind him while they were driving



the back window is pretty messed up ??

ot cant stand tattoos but i loved our heros tattoos !! and unlike some folks that have been called heros lately (!) he is a hero

did he change outcome who knows

did he do a neat things

imo yep

they were really creative !!
 
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sds71 said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/loisbeckett/status/927694081161154560/photo/1
sbeckett
New Air Force documents: Kelley pleaded guilty to hitting, kicking, and choking his wife, and allegedly threatened her with loaded firearms.
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sds71 said:
Replying to @loisbeckett
Air Force prosecutors made a deal with Kelley to withdraw several counts, including those involving guns, for a guilty plea on two of them.
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kittythehare said:
omfg!
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I'll 2nd that.:stormingmad:
 
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At this point has anyone said where DK's current wife and child are at or their condition? I went through a situation 30 years ago and my church helped my kids and I escape my husband (at the time). He always threatened to kill my family if I tried to leave him. The church menfolk kept him occupied setting up tables for a special dinner while a few members were transporting us (supposedly at home), 40 miles away. When he started figuring out what was up they tried to stop him from leaving and he jumped over the tables and attacked my pastor and one of the elders. They got him under control and LE was involved but for 2 months the church and my family wouldn't tell him where we were at. I guess I'm wondering if the church helped to hide DK's wife and child. Had my ex been able to access a gun, I'm afraid a similar tragedy could've happened at my church.

I'm not trying to make this about me, there's just so many 'triggers' following this shooting.
 
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pugmom said:
Been hanging around in the background since yesterday...I've been trying to think of the "right" thing to say but I'm not sure if there is a right thing. I want to say I'm so sorry to everyone who has been affected by this tragedy, but haven't we all been affected? Even though I'm miles away in another country, this has hurt me immensely. All of this. I'm trying hard not to live in fear, to not project my insecurity when I have an incessant need to scope out emergency exits whenever I bring my daughter to a movie theatre, to make sure that when we're walking together that I'm the one walking closest to the street and that we always have a place to hide if a vehicle should try to run us over as we're just enjoying our time together. I feel like I've lost the ability to enjoy the simple things that I used to treasure because I'm always on guard. I'm trying to tell myself that I can go to a festival, a concert, a walk down the street, a movie theatre, a church and I will be okay. I hate that tragedies like this one are becoming so common. Thanks for giving me a safe place to express myself. It feels nice to be among friends in times like these.
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I am fighting feeling this way....and I'm afraid I'm losing.
 
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Gun control and parent/family/friends of the shooter are off-limits.

Gun control discussions go absolutely nowhere and we are not in the business of solving all social justice issues.

Parents/family/friends of the shooter? The Rules state not to sleuth them. We know nothing about them so stop with trying to make stuff up about what you think their relationships might have been like.

:tyou:
 
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thepinkdragon said:
Specification 2. MOO this plea deal is a disgrace. I am physically sick.

ETA: I am taking a break. The details are a huge trigger for me.

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Sending you gentle healing.
All will be well.
You have spoken the truth.
Just breathe in love and breathe out fear.
Will pass.
Namaste.
 
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sds71 said:
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Air Force prosecutors made a deal with Kelley to withdraw several counts, including those involving guns, for a guilty plea on two of them.
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I cant see this without blowing it up

I do not want to read it tho if there is anything about doggies

is there anything about doggie in this


as my lady love bug is burying her little self under the comforter
 
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