TX - 26 dead, 20 injured in church shooting, Sutherland Springs, 5 Nov 2017 #2

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Injustice Collectors
http://www.psybersquare.com/family/family_injustice.html

Characteristics of Injustice Collectors:
1.) Injustice Collectors are convinced that they are never wrong. How is it possible that they are never wrong? It is simple: They are always right.

2.) Injustice Collectors never apologize. Ever. For anything.

3.) Injustice Collectors truly believe that they are morally and ethically superior to others and that others chronically do not hold themselves to the same high standards as the injustice collector does.

4.) Injustice Collectors make the rules, break the rules and enforce the rules of the family. They are a combined legislator, police, and judge and jury of

5.) Injustice Collectors never worry about what is wrong with themselves as their "bad list" grows. Their focus is always on the failings of others.

6.) Injustice Collectors are never upset by the disparity of their rules for others with their own expectations of themselves.

7.) Injustice Collectors rationalize their own behavior with great ease and comfort.

Devin Kelley shows all 7 characteristics of an injustice collector.

Here are more with 20 characteristics
http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/11/25/are-they-injustice-collector

Characteristics of Injustice Collectors

1. Injustice collectors are never wrong. How is it possible that they are never wrong? It's simple: They are always right.

2. Injustice collectors never apologize. Ever. For anything.

3. Injustice collectors truly believe they are morally and ethically superior to others and that others seem incapable of holding themselves to the same high standards as the injustice collector does.

4. Injustice collectors make the rules, break the rules and enforce the rules of the family. They are a combination of legislator, police, judge and jury to those they consider their subjects. They forever banish from their kingdom any subject they deem disloyal, and only grant clemency if there is sufficient (in their eyes) contrition.

5. Injustice collectors never worry about what is wrong with them as their "bad" list grows. Their focus is always on the failings of others.

6. Injustice collectors are never troubled by the disparity between their rules for others and their own expectations of themselves. Injustice collectors rationalize their own behavior with great ease and comfort.

7. Injustice collectors have an external orientation; the problem always exists in the world, outside of themselves, and in their view, the world would be an acceptable place if their rules and standards were followed at all times.

8. Injustice collectors do not have a capacity for remorse, empathy or guilt.

9. Injustice collectors scoff at the idea of therapy, therapists, self-help books, and other tools used by people who struggle to live with them.

10. The phrase "walking on eggshells" describes life with an injustice collector.

11. The IC (injustice Collector) will prey upon your weaknesses to frame all issues in their terms.

12. IC's will always cry foul when you are 'mean' to them and accuse you of being nasty when you are confronting them with their negative behavior.

13. They are titanically insecure and cannot trust anyone. All relationships they have, even with their own parents and children and trustless and must be reinforced by subordination over and over.

14. They can only strengthen relationships through imprisoning their mates and banning behaviors and other relationships. Friends and family are a huge threat to the IC.

15. They must repetitively revisit situations where you service them, give in to them and agree with them. They will over time shrink your world to a small plot of empty activities that only they like. They are terrified of travel, meeting new people, understanding new concepts and paroling you from any punishment they have previously 'convicted' you of.

16. They do not care about you at all, they care about aggrandizing themselves with you as an assistant producer.

17. They will occasionally do something for you, but if you are not completely brainwashed, it will be a negative experience for you in the end. Example is throwing you a birthday party. I guarantee you will not have fun at your own party.

18. They will force you to choose between them and other things you like or love. The more you choose them, the more they will make you choose them over and over. They do not understand the concept of loyalty at all.

19. Hypocrisy is their modus operandi for debating and arguing with you. Everything they say about you is true about them. (aka Projection) It makes it so you try to 'win' fights by getting them to agree with you, which they never can because their whole position is false.

20. Your life will disappear into their lives. Your hopes and dreams will fade, even in your own mind. You will eat what they want, you will watch what they want on TV, you will vacation where they want, or not at all.

Again, Devin Kelley shows all 20 characteristics of an injustice collector.
 
  • #142
Sadly its frighteningly similar to a Texas Border Militia uniform..

Oh crap. You're right.

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More

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...moving-across-Texas-5647487.php#photo-6643845

https://hips.hearstapps.com/esq.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/06/54d42855a58ec_-_soc-20140728_militia7.jpg

http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/31/26/02/6643845/5/1024x1024.jpg
 
  • #143
Right, but not nearly as frequently or as deadly. How many mass truck-killing attacks are there a day in the U.S.? How many massive truck-fertilizer bombings a day, on average? Oh, zero. This isn't a contest. Or, at least it shouldn't be.

Undoubtedly true. But people have killed more at one time in trucks than with guns. The coward who blew up the federal building in Oklahoma killed 164 and injured 680. The monster in Nice killed 86 people and injured 458.

So there can still be mass acts of carnage.
 
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Undoubtedly true. But people have killed more at one time in trucks than with guns. The coward who blew up the federal building in Oklahoma killed 164 and injured 680. The monster in Nice killed 86 people and injured 458.

So there can still be mass acts of carnage.

Let's not forget 9/11, which claimed 3,000 lives after terrorists flew airplanes into the World Trade Center, Pentagon, and near Shanksville. Many more have been sickened after the World Trade Center crashed to the ground.

The Bath School Massacre in 1927 that claimed 45 lives was with dynamite.

There is also the Happyland Social Club Fire in 1990 that claimed 87 lives with a gallon of gasoline and a match. That was the deadliest mass murder prior to Oklahoma City Bombing and 9/11.

Jack Gilbert Graham bombed United Airlines Flight 629 in 1955, which claimed 44 lives.
 
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:bump:

Gun control and parent/family/friends of the shooter are off-limits.

Gun control discussions go absolutely nowhere and we are not in the business of solving all social justice issues.

Parents/family/friends of the shooter? The Rules state not to sleuth them. We know nothing about them so stop with trying to make stuff up about what you think their relationships might have been like.

:tyou:
 
  • #148
was where he was in army or whatever was that in a big city or a small place not the jail where he actually served

was it a rural or urban military base or station or whatever??
Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico.
I'm not sure he ever left US soil.
Oh snap!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...wing-texas-church-shooter-to-obtain-firearms/


https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/t...rt-texas-church-gunman-devin-kelley-s-n818156

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  • #149
Was not entering his charges into a database a mistake? Intentional for some tracking/data purpose? I'm not surprised for whatever reason is given. Slightly OT. In the last decade, I've seen more and more 'mistakes' from all areas of life, and some even contributing to death of a person, yet constant reasons why, without taking responsibility. I don't understand it.

Years ago people had pride in their work and where they worked. If I worked for Pepsi, I'd tease someone that worked for Coke, and wouldn't be caught drinking any Coke products. (Just an example, never worked for either.) Employers valued employees that had been there awhile, and those that did a great job, and came to work ontime, didn't take lots of sick leave, or personal days.

I don't know what changed, but it's seldom I talk to anyone in any profession that takes their job seriously and takes pride in their work. If something isn't done, oh well, it either gets done by someone else, or doesn't get done, I don't care... that seems to be the attitude.

This shooting, like many others, is senseless, and I don't know how to stop them and apparently neither does anyone else.

The pages of discussion on if he legally got the guns, etc... well in the big picture, does it matter? NOPE! Because guess what? MURDER IS ILLEGAL!!! Yet that didn't stop him....those in the mindset to murder will do so. Their method may vary, but their intention and results are the same. Until we can identify and treat those with the mindset for murder, they will continue.
 
  • #150



From “Military Skullart, July 22, 2014”.....

The Punisher’s popularity among United States military personnel is evidenced by the incorporation of the character’s distinctive skull symbol into artwork generated within the military, most notably by the United States Navy’s Sea, Air, Land Teams (“Navy SEALs”) and the United States Army’s 24th Infantry Regiment. There is a long tradition – dating back to colonial times – of American military personnel using skull imagery in officially unauthorized-but-allowed insignia artwork. The Punisher’s fans in the military continue this tradition with the creation of unit insignia based on the character’s skull symbol.

Perhaps this is the skull symbol called “The Punisher” noted in the movie about Seal teams of a famous Americans sniper?

DPK was a legend in his own mind. Spoiled. Angry. Misfit.

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  • #151
Was not entering his charges into a database a mistake? Intentional for some tracking/data purpose? I'm not surprised for whatever reason is given. Slightly OT. In the last decade, I've seen more and more 'mistakes' from all areas of life, and some even contributing to death of a person, yet constant reasons why, without taking responsibility. I don't understand it.

Years ago people had pride in their work and where they worked. If I worked for Pepsi, I'd tease someone that worked for Coke, and wouldn't be caught drinking any Coke products. (Just an example, never worked for either.) Employers valued employees that had been there awhile, and those that did a great job, and came to work ontime, didn't take lots of sick leave, or personal days.

I don't know what changed, but it's seldom I talk to anyone in any profession that takes their job seriously and takes pride in their work. If something isn't done, oh well, it either gets done by someone else, or doesn't get done, I don't care... that seems to be the attitude.

This shooting, like many others, is senseless, and I don't know how to stop them and apparently neither does anyone else.

The pages of discussion on if he legally got the guns, etc... well in the big picture, does it matter? NOPE! Because guess what? MURDER IS ILLEGAL!!! Yet that didn't stop him....those in the mindset to murder will do so. Their method may vary, but their intention and results are the same. Until we can identify and treat those with the mindset for murder, they will continue.

Yes, I have noticed a decrease in the lack of commitment to one's work in the past decade or so. It's seems "acceptable" to be a slack-off. I don't get it.

Off topic, I suppose....

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  • #152
This is beyond disturbing...

The Department of Defense has reported only one domestic violence case to the federal database for gun purchase background checks, records show.

The authorities in Comal County, which includes Mr. Kelley’s hometown, New Braunfels, also released records on Monday that showed Mr. Kelley had been the subject of an investigation for sexual assault and rape by force in 2013. The investigation ended without the filing of any charges.

Air Force Error Allowed Texas Gunman to Buy Weapons
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/....com/2017/11/06/us/texas-shooting-church.html


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<Screams> There are no words to express my rage at this point


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  • #153
He broke his stepsons skull in 2012.... WHY wasn't it a Dishonorable? Talk about beyond bad conduct.....

https://nyti.ms/2hKKqrT

ETA: https://legaldictionary.net/dishonorable-discharge/

This has a summary of the types of discharges. I posted it in Thread 1. The distinction here is that you can still buy a weapon with a bad conduct discharge and that also allowed him to get a permit as a Security Guard. Now I know why I couldn't find the record of his court martial... how did they think they were going to hide what he did?


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I wonder that too.
 
  • #154
This is beyond disturbing...

The Department of Defense has reported only one domestic violence case to the federal database for gun purchase background checks, records show.

The authorities in Comal County, which includes Mr. Kelley’s hometown, New Braunfels, also released records on Monday that showed Mr. Kelley had been the subject of an investigation for sexual assault and rape by force in 2013. The investigation ended without the filing of any charges.

Air Force Error Allowed Texas Gunman to Buy Weapons
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/....com/2017/11/06/us/texas-shooting-church.html


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This gets worse and worse.
 
  • #155
How many women does it take to tell authorities that this monster was a monster?

If only someone, anyone who who was capable of locking this guy up listened to these women.

I'm so pissed. People knew this monster was a monster! These women told authorities!!! These women were not taken seriously!
 
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23 identified here. I'm amazed at the number of couples that died together....

http://heavy.com/news/2017/11/suthe...-shooting-victims-list-names-photos-pictures/

These photos and descriptions took my breath away and I feel pain in my heart. Tears in my eyes as I type. These poor people, in a place they felt safe, a sacred place to them, a space to love their friends, family and community. All the children. The older people, would never have imagined such a fate. Couples together. It just hurts and I have no connection to this town or the people other than I know what it is like to lose someone and even feeling a teeny bit of their pain as I read about their loved one doesn't even compare to what at this moment they're going through...

What is this world and this life lately? It isn't what I thought. I thought my hope was running on empty...I'm merely on fumes now.
 
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