TX - 26 dead, 20 injured in church shooting, Sutherland Springs, 5 Nov 2017 #2

[MsFacetious]

Well, they were probably all sitting next to their significant other. The description up thread of how he just waved his gun back and forth to spray bullets, it's not surprising at all.

There were just so few where only one spouse died when both were in attendance.
Made me wonder if it was intentional.... killing those who had what he did not.

 

[lindamichelle1]

If his wifes grandmother was killed, maybe he thought her mother was going to be there.

 

[kittythehare]

If his wifes grandmother was killed, maybe he thought her mother was going to be there.

I wonder if he left the church with the intention of finding her?
Its a small building internally.. he would have easily seen who was there..

 

[lindamichelle1]

I wonder if he left the church with the intention of finding her?
Its a small building internally.. he would have easily seen who was there..

Oh I mean, he went there to kill them knowing they would be inside plus anyone else who was there. It said in another article the wife's mother was a member of the church, but from reading around doesn't sound like she went this day.
Yeah, he definitely could have been on his way to find them

 

[MzOpinion8d]

from the last thread -
rsd1200 wrote:
"Not being snarky, at all, but I don't think that I could ever heal from losing my child, then combined with the fact that he had murdered 27 people, no, I'd never heal."

I agree totally. Other parents of mass murderers have stated they'd give their lives in a moment if it could bring back the deceased. It does make me wonder if the primary intent of a crime such as this is to mentally and emotionally punish his parents for the rest of their lives. Knowing nothing about them, of course I can't say for sure but just imaging - to be haunted by guilt, what could they have done differently, what went wrong, should've they known, were there signs, etc something no parent could ever truly know the answers to.

Sue Klebold's book "A Mother's Reckoning" is a perfect example of this. I admire her for the courage to write about her struggles, and how she has made attempts to bring awareness to mental health issues.

 

[margarita25]

Ann Stefanek, a spokeswoman for the Air Force, confirmed that Kelly was court-martialed in 2012 on two charges of assaulting his spouse and their child. He was confined for a year, reduced in rank to airman basic E-1 and given a bad conduct discharge in 2014, Stefanek said."
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/te...ooting-n817751

O/T, just a few weeks ago in Ft. Collins:

"FORT COLLINS, Colo. (AP)*— A man suspected of fatally shooting two people, including a Colorado State University student, and wounding a third before killing himself was an Air Force staff sergeant based in Wyoming, authorities said Friday.

Fort Collins police identified the suspected gunman as Michael A. Zamora, 30."

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/10/20/fort-collins-killing-air-force-officer/

******
One of the victims turned out to be his girlfriend.

In the San Bernadino shooting, the man opened fire in his wife's/exwife's/ girlfriend's (can't remember which one) classroom, subjecting all those kids to danger and iirc killing a little boy (hard to keep all these shootings straight).

 

[MsFacetious]

If his wifes grandmother was killed, maybe he thought her mother was going to be there.

I think he likely thought the entire family would be there.
Talk about survivors guilt.

 

[margarita25]

(Sorry if already posted)

Officials: Air Force didn’t submit Texas church shooter’s criminal history to*FBI
http://kdvr.com/2017/11/06/official...exas-church-shooters-criminal-history-to-fbi/

"SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Texas — Officials tell the Associated Press that the Air Force did not submit the alleged Texas church shooter’s criminal history to FBI, as required by Pentagon rules.

The suspect*was court-martialed in 2012 for two counts of assault on his wife and child, according to an Air Force spokesman. He served in Logistics Readiness in Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico from 2010 until his discharge in 2014, according to The Associated Press."

 

[margarita25]

"Two of the four guns used in the church shooting in Texas on Sunday were purchased in Colorado,*officials said Monday."

http://kdvr.com/2017/11/06/official...exas-church-shooters-criminal-history-to-fbi/

 

[margarita25]

Gun stores that sold weapons used in Texas shooting still a*mystery
http://kdvr.com/2017/11/06/gun-stores-that-sold-weapons-used-in-texas-shooting-still-a-mystery/

"COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- Two of the four guns used in the church shooting in Texas on Sunday were purchased in Colorado, officials said Monday.

However, officials did not say where in Colorado the guns were purchased. The other two guns were purchased in Texas.

Paul Paradis owns Paradise Sales, a gun store in Colorado Springs. He didn't sell the shooter any of the weapons used in the massacre, but says he empathizes with the gun store owner who did."
*more at link

 

[margarita25]

Survivor’s son: Gunman walked aisle*shooting
http://kdvr.com/2017/11/06/survivors-son-gunman-walked-aisle-shooting/

"David Brown, whose mother is recovering after the Texas church shooting, says the gunman walked up and down the aisle shooting people that were already on the ground."

 

[margarita25]

Who were the Texas church shooting victims?
www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-church-shooting-victims-list/index.html

 

[margarita25]

"On Monday the Air Force acknowledged it did not relay the killer's court martial conviction for domestic assault to civilian law enforcement that could have prevented him purchasing the firearms used in the shooting."

Air Force failed to relay info that could have stopped firearm sale to gunman
www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/politics/texas-church-shooting-bad-conduct-discharge/index.html

 

[margarita25]

"According to psychiatrists and epidemiologists, "a history of violent behavior is a far better predictor of future violence than mental illness," said Duke University professor Jeffrey Swanson."

What we know about Texas church shooter Devin Patrick Kelley
www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/devin-kelley-texas-church-shooting-suspect/index.html

 

[margarita25]

"Kelley bought the rifle in April 2016 from an Academy Sports & Outdoors store in San Antonio, a law enforcement official told CNN. When Kelley filled out the background check he did not check the box indicating he had disqualifying criminal history, the official said. He listed an address in Colorado Springs, Colorado, when he bought the rifle, the official said.

At one point, the shooter tried to get a license to carry a gun in Texas but was denied by the state, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said, citing the director of Texas' Department of Public Safety. Buying a gun and obtaining a license to carry are two separate processes that don't rely on each other.

"So how was it that he was able to get a gun? By all the facts that we seem to know, he was not supposed to have access to a gun," Abbott told CNN. "So how did this happen?""

www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/devin-kelley-texas-church-shooting-suspect/index.html

 

[margarita25]

"So why isn't the Texas church shooting being called an act of terror?

Part of the confusion stems from the fact that the world has never really settled on a standard definition of "terrorism." The*US Code of Federal Regulations*defines it as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

But it is not a standalone criminal charge.

"There is not a domestic terrorism crime as such," FBI Director Christopher Wray said in a Senate hearing in September. "We in the FBI refer to domestic terrorism as a category but it's more of a way in which we allocate which agents, which squad is going to work on it."

So once again, it all comes down to motive. Was there a political or ideological agenda behind the attack?"

The New York attack was labeled 'terrorism.' The Texas shooting wasn't. Here's why
www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/what-is-terrorism-definition-trnd/index.html

 

[margarita25]

What we know about the rifle used in the Texas church massacre
[video]http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/06/news/companies/ruger-ar-556-ar-15/index.html[/video]

"The gunman in the Texas church massacre was armed with a Ruger AR-556 -- a type of AR-15, the military-style rifle that has been used in many other recent mass shootings."

*more at link

(-Related:

The Business of Guns
Why the AR-15 is the mass shooter's go-to weapon
June 21, 2016: 5:23 PM ET
http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/13/news/ar-15-assault-rifle/index.html?iid=EL )

(Eta/ Also:

"Some gun sellers say customers are rushing to buy bump stocks -- the accessories that make rifles fire like automatic weapons -- since the massacre in Las Vegas.

"Oh, God, yes, it's been insane. Since this story has broke, we've been getting about 50 people a day asking for them," said Michael Cargill, owner of Central Texas Gun Works in Austin, Texas. He said his distributors sold out, too.

Gun sellers told CNNMoney they believe the sales spike is driven by fears of tighter gun control -- perhaps including a*ban on bump stocks*-- since the attack in Las Vegas, the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history."

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/05/smallbusiness/bump-fire-stocks/index.html )

 

[margarita25]

Air Force will review how shooter's criminal record was handled
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...iew-how-shooter-s-criminal-record-was-handled

"Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson and Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein directed a complete review of the Kelley case by the Air Force Office of the Inspector General. The Service will also conduct a comprehensive review of Air Force databases to ensure records in other cases have been reported correctly. The Air Force has also requested that the Department of Defense Inspector General review records and procedures across the Department of Defense."

 

[1&2&3]

This case alone shows the disaster that occurred because the military court allowed Kelley to plea to a lesser charge, and not suffer the consequences that his act deserved. So Kelley got his hand smacked for splitting his son's skull intentionally! Unacceptable!

And then to add fuel to the fire, some dimwit didn't even record the trial outcome correctly! Or Kelley would not have bee able to buy his guns.

Everyone needs to start doing their job correctly, no matter how low on the ladder they are. There must be a watchdog over each lever until it gets figured out that we Americans are not going to live in this sloppily run world!

People MUST be held responsible for their work. Each little slip up grows into another slip up and the path continues until we are living in this world of lies, cheating that is so rampant today, A helps B with a lie, and this corruption seeks into ever phase of our life. C made a mistake, so a cover-up is started and the ball keeps rolling to cover everyone's patootie!

Our court system is just as bad in making deals and letting truly bad Guys out on the street while keeping many imprisioned on sentences that don't match the crime, or is it, the crimes today are becoming so horrific, they don't compare to crimes in the past?

 

[margarita25]

2017 is the deadliest year for mass killings in at least a decade
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...st-year-mass-killings-least-decade/836738001/

"With nearly eight weeks until the end of the year, 2017 has already earned a bitter honor: It is the most deadly year for mass killings in the U.S. in more than a decade.

Sunday’s shooting at First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Texas, which killed 26 people, raised the total of victims lost in mass killings this year to 208,*according to USA TODAY data."