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TX - Active shooter at Allen Shopping Mall, multiple victims, 6 May 2023
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Yes but especially as it becomes abundantly clear he was radicalized in the last few years I don't think it's a fair conclusion for you to draw that the reason he was disqualified from the military meant he was extremely mentally unstable at that precise moment. You are expecting a broad mental health assessment - that is also contingent on time, as in if he was denied on the basis of ADHD, theoretically he could apply 1-2 years later and would not be denied - taken 15 years ago is THE indicator that he was going to do this.
My only issue with your argument is that you are claiming failing an extremely baseline assessment is equal to being mentally unstable. And I think that's are harmful leap at this point given the hundreds of reasons people can be disqualified. Based on the last few years of things coming out from police departments, it's unlikely whatever he failed for would have disqualified him from finding work as an armed, police officer! (Now that is certainly a problem in itself)
I don't mean to come off argumentative because I think you and I are closer aligned on this than it seems. It's more my pessimism that regardless of what he failed for or what the situation was, legislation to close that "loophole" wouldn't get much support in this country. And there should have been so many other ways to prevent this besides one mental health evaluation 15 years ago.
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He’s from Lafayette, LA. Not far from me.
Irvin Walker Sr. and his wife, Rose told us their son was shot three times and survived.
She tells us her son told her he had just arrived at the mall, dropped off a friend and went to park, and that is when he was approached by the gunman who opened fire at his vehicle striking him three times.
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It's been stated numerous times that his discharge was for "mental health concerns" (or words to that affect).
We don't have any specific reason or any kind of statement from anyone who treated him to even clear that up.
We know what he did the other day was 100% mentally disturbed, but we have no idea what his actual mental health was like 15 years ago when he was discharged.
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BBM. Should have been so many other ways to prevent this? Please name one. Because the most obvious one to me is that anyone discharged from the military for mental health reasons should be banned from purchasing firearms.
My sympathy lies with the innocent victims.
JMO
"It took just 4 minutes
for Mauricio Garcia
to kill 8 people in Texas mall shooting."
It took just 4 minutes for Mauricio Garcia to kill 8 people in Texas mall shooting
It took just four minutes for Texas mall shooter Mauricio Garcia to kill eight people and wound seven others when he opened fire in the parking lot at the Allen Premium Outlets mall in Allen on Sat…
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Exactly!
I have said before, I have first hand knowledge of how trainees can be removed from bootcamp and what those in charge of them are and are not there to do. They are not there to diagnose mental heath issues. They are there to train soldiers and if they notice a trainee is not adapting well, is not following orders, has issues with authority or teamwork, etc.. they can be discharged. There are many kids who show up having no idea what it will be like. They decide it isn't for them and all they have to say is, I want to hurt myself and they are sure to get a one way ticket home. This does not make a person mentally ill or homicidal.
Is it really that easy to be discharged? I've had friends who joined changed their minds were not coping at all and could not leave or request to be discharged.
Sorry, I misspelled UVALDE.
I have noticed the location of the shooter's body is being reported incorrectly. H&M is located in the central island of stores in the middle of the outlets. In the diagram, H&M is on the right side of the central island. From H&M, the shooter walked Northeast, turning to left at the top of the island of stores and continued almost to the other end of the top of the island where Fatburger's outdoor seating is located before he was eliminated. For reasons I don't understand, the media has been showing that the shooter was killed in front of the shops on the left side of this map North of the Coach store. The shooter never got anywhere near there. It is annoying to me when the media gets a simple fact wrong. The entire shooting lasted 4 minutes at most. The shooter would not have had the time to walk from H&M across the parking lot to be shot in that other part of the mall. The map shown here is correct:
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How did the Allen mall shooting happen? Who were the victims? Who was the shooter? Everything we know
The WFAA team will be covering updates on the shooting throughout the week. Here's what we know.
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Very well said.
The regulation that he was discharged under covers everything from ADD to sleep walking, to the catch all....
"inability to adapt to a military lifestyle".
A neighbor's son recently completed a combat arms basic training and AIT several years ago. His training platoon of 40 or so lost 6 people who either physically could not complete the training were assessed as being unfit for military service.
Lets say that 3 of these individuals were actually discharged as unfit and 3 were retained and "re treaded" through training in a later class. 3 of 40 discharged is 7.5%.
Getting to the point....
I strongly suspect that training discharges under that regulation are not uncommon. In the course of a year, a busy basic training post will probably issue several dozen or more such "mentally not going to make a good soldier" type discharges.
Getting to a pointier point....
It is likely that the perpetrator's actions that led to his discharge under did not stand out much from the other men and women receiving similar discharges. Likewise, it is likely that the perpertrator's discharge was a routine and not an unusual matter.
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Authorities were able to confirm that Christian LaCour, a 20-year-old security guard at the outlets, was able to get one person to safety before he was killed trying to help others…
Allen police Chief Brian Harvey said the Allen police officer who killed the gunman within three to four minutes of the first shots demonstrated “tremendous bravery,” but added officials aren’t prepared to release his name.
Allen police Chief Brian Harvey said the Allen police officer who killed the gunman within three to four minutes of the first shots demonstrated “tremendous bravery,” but added officials aren’t prepared to release his name.
Gunman in Allen mall shooting had 8 legally purchased weapons with him, officials say
Hank Sibley, the Texas Department of Public Safety’s North Texas regional director, said determining the gunman’s motive is the focus of the investigation.
www.dallasnews.com
IMO the police are protecting the officer who shot the shooter due to the shooter's possible gang affiliations. We don't really need to know the name of the heroic police officer who saved so many lives that day and it may be best for him and his family that this information is not revealed to the general public.Authorities were able to confirm that Christian LaCour, a 20-year-old security guard at the outlets, was able to get one person to safety before he was killed trying to help others…
Allen police Chief Brian Harvey said the Allen police officer who killed the gunman within three to four minutes of the first shots demonstrated “tremendous bravery,” but added officials aren’t prepared to release his name.
Gunman in Allen mall shooting had 8 legally purchased weapons with him, officials say
Hank Sibley, the Texas Department of Public Safety’s North Texas regional director, said determining the gunman’s motive is the focus of the investigation.www.dallasnews.com
BBM. Didn't stand out much? Seriously? The maniac went on post on social media his crazy thoughts and decided to slaughter innocent people.
Texas mall shooter was expelled from military over mental health concerns
Mauricio Garcia, who entered the military in 2008, was dismissed before completing his basic training to become an infantry soldier.
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After the gunman, Mauricio Garcia, entered basic training at Fort Benning, Georgia, in June 2008, Army officials were concerned about his mental health early on and said he also had an adjustment disorder, the officials said.
Hank Sibley, a regional director at the Texas Department of Public Safety, said that investigators are looking into Garcia's separation from the military and that information about his "fitness for duty" would be forthcoming.
Much better news conference than the first one! I think the shooter carried a grudge for being booted out of the military and that's why they said: it’s too early to classify the shooting as an act of domestic terrorism.Authorities were able to confirm that Christian LaCour, a 20-year-old security guard at the outlets, was able to get one person to safety before he was killed trying to help others…
Allen police Chief Brian Harvey said the Allen police officer who killed the gunman within three to four minutes of the first shots demonstrated “tremendous bravery,” but added officials aren’t prepared to release his name.
Gunman in Allen mall shooting had 8 legally purchased weapons with him, officials say
Hank Sibley, the Texas Department of Public Safety’s North Texas regional director, said determining the gunman’s motive is the focus of the investigation.www.dallasnews.com
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Allen Outlets shooting suspect had Nazi tattoos, all guns purchased legally, Texas DPS says
The Texas Department of Public Safety says 33-year-old Mauricio Garcia, the man they say is responsible for the shooting that killed 8 people at the Allen Premium Outlets, had neo-Nazi ideation, including Nazi tattoos and patches.
If the shooter is not in a gang then why would they need to keep the police officer who shot him secret? This is weird to me. Usually they always praise the officer and put up his hero picture. This has been a very strange incident. Seems he was in the military. Was he born here, came in with migrants. How could he have gone so wrong with the opportunties this country offers for people?
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Maybe the officer doesn't want to be identified, maybe he was just doing his job and he doesn't want any public accolades for it?. He knows he saved lives that day, maybe that's enough reward for him. JMO
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The speed of the human annihilation is chilling."It took just 4 minutes
for Mauricio Garcia
to kill 8 people in Texas mall shooting."
It took just 4 minutes for Mauricio Garcia to kill 8 people in Texas mall shooting
It took just four minutes for Texas mall shooter Mauricio Garcia to kill eight people and wound seven others when he opened fire in the parking lot at the Allen Premium Outlets mall in Allen on Sat…
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